Hotel van driver reports CHQ pilot as drunk.

mshunter said:
You're right, I used a bad example. Two beers, 8 hours ago, and you're over. Didn't realize I was dealing with a regulation Nazi.
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Sorry.. not trying to be a jerk. :> CFI student, so I have my nose buried into the regs up to my cheekfluff at the moment.

-Fox
 
I'm just spit-balling here since at the subject, not necessarily the actual situation, but here's a friendly reminder that "8 hours bottle to throttle", the FAA's "0.04 BAC" and your airline's specific rules regarding alcohol are three mutually exclusive rules.

You can stop drinking even 12 hours prior, still be above 0.04 BAC (FAA) and be well beyond your airline's limits.
 
Exactly, if he was drunk enough to tell the hotel van driver which airline he worked for, then he deserves it :p
 
Doug Taylor said:
I'm just spit-balling here since at the subject, not necessarily the actual situation, but here's a friendly reminder that "8 hours bottle to throttle", the FAA's "0.04 BAC" and your airline's specific rules regarding alcohol are three mutually exclusive rules.

You can stop drinking even 12 hours prior, still be above 0.04 BAC (FAA) and be well beyond your airline's limits.
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Essactly why I have a 2 beer limit unless I have a double overnight. I like to have a good time, but it simply isn't worth the risk to me. 0.04 isn't exactly a very high number. Unless you travel with your own breathalyzer, there's really no way to be sure. Simply not worth it. Its not like you just screw yourself out of this job. It gets much more difficult to find another one later.
 
mshunter said:
So anyone who has a few drinks is immediatly an alcoholic? Guess the one beer every other week for me makes me need to go to an AA meeting. For all we know, this guy had a BAC of ,02, and company policy makes that a rule breaker. Every company I have ever worked at, this is the allowable. So one beer, 4 hours ago and you're over the limit.
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Is this really your response for my example?
 
mshunter said:
So anyone who has a few drinks is immediatly an alcoholic? Guess the one beer every other week for me makes me need to go to an AA meeting. For all we know, this guy had a BAC of ,02, and company policy makes that a rule breaker. Every company I have ever worked at, this is the allowable. So one beer, 4 hours ago and you're over the limit.
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If the crew member is found to be over any limit, airline/faa/local/state/federal his career is over.

If the crew member is found to be over any limit, and voluntarily enters the HIMS program, after a period of treatment, he can return to his job.

Many airlines have a "no traceable amount" rule. The Europeans hand out random tests like they're General Tso's Chicken samples at the mall food court and have SUPER tight regs.
 
Springer said:
Guy at my airline drank 11 rum and Cokes, flew, convicted, prison time, came back to same airline and retired as a 747 capt.
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Really more of a narrative about the HIMS program. "Back in the day", sure, but without getting into the HIMS program after an infraction involving alcohol, party over Garth.
 
mshunter said:
So anyone who has a few drinks is immediatly an alcoholic?
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Definitely not...But a lot of people don't realize that you don't have to have a full on mental/physical addiction to be a problem drinker. Binge drinking, or drinking for the soul purpose of getting hammered is not considered normal. I'm not knocking anyone, but often you read on here some guy talking about how he's on his 7th or 8th drink of the night. Just be damn careful who you say this around. This is heard by the wrong person, and you definitely are a candidate and likely a participant in the HIMS program, whether you want to be there or not.
 
The FAA defines "Substance dependence" as: A condition in which a person is dependent on a substance, other than tobacco or ordinary xanthine-containing (e.g., caffeine) beverages as evidenced by:
  • Increased tolerance
  • Manifestation of withdrawal symptoms
  • Impaired control of use; or
  • Continued use despite damage to physical health or impairment of social, personal, or occupational functioning
Increased Tolerance - High BAC. FAA does not care if you are functional or not. If you can reach an abnormal BAC, you likely have an issue at some level.
Manifestation of withdrawal symptoms - At it's most basic level, frequent hangovers.
Impaired control of use - Arrests, Fights, and yes hitting on fat chicks!
Continued use despite adverse consequences - Black outs...What did we do last night?
The more you know...
 
You know, when I drank A LOT more, I had the tolerance of Sasquatch. Now that I rarely drink, good lord, two cocktails and I'm ready to take my shirt off and wave it 'round my head like a helicopter.

Petey Pablo? Anyone? Anyone? Oooh, I'm getting old.
 
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