Honest & Realistic Perspective on Family Life

JungianJugular

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Hi everyone,

I am new to the forum. My partner and I are both educators and I am considering a career change to aviation (something I've always wanted to do). I went up on two intro flights today and well, let's just say I loved it.

I'd like to hear some perspectives from current spouses of airline pilots on what family life is like and you work full time as well. Even those who are currently married or in a serious relationship with pilots in training. Any perspective would be helpful, really ..

My spouse is looking to advance in her career as an educator and pursue a PhD one day. We don't have any children ... yet. Thinking about 4-5 years down the road.

Any insight and sharing of experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks,

- JJ

EDIT: I am very glad to see this sub forum on Family Life as it is an integral part of the world of aviation!
 
Lots of views, and no replies. So, I am going in to jump in here and post (although, I suspect I will not be of much help!).

First of all - Welcome to JC!!:) An awesome forum - with lots of great information.

To answer your question is going to be a little difficult. I am not an airline pilot (or spouse of a pilot). However, I am a pilot in training - and hope to get my commercial ratings in the next few years. I think - as with most other professions/careers - it has a lot to do with the people and their approach to the relationship. If you work on things, have a good plan, and keep your spouse in the loop, I am sure things will be just fine. On a lighter note - I think your wife getting her PhD might be a lot more stressful for you.

Am sure someone with more experience and insight will come along and post something more pertinent.
 
It kinda ruined a few relationships of mine, only because of the demands pertaining to the schedule and the unpredictability of the flights. At least for me. It really takes a special understanding on the other ones behalf to truly make it work.
 
So I guess I'll jump in...some background I work part time and we have no kids so I can't give any insight as to what life is like with kids and a pilot husband. Dh has been a pilot since I met him so I haven't ever known any different. I would say the biggest thing is your spouse has to be independent, because you are going to be gone a lot sitting on reserve 1500 miles away with 10 days off a month. It sounds like she has a career and career goals so that's always good. Also having a network of friends and family to help out is great. Crockrocket is right it takes a unique understanding to make it work, she needs to realize that just because you say you'll be home one day doesn't mean anything until you actually get there, crew scheduling could roll your day off, you could miss a commute etc.....it makes it a challenge to plan. Also realize that you could be on reserve for a long time if this (magical) pilot shortage never happens. The best thing I can say is talk to her (before you decide) and see how she really feels about you being gone that much or if you'd be willing to relocate if needed. Good luck and if you have any more questions feel free to ask.
 
I am not married to someone in aviation, but I am happily married, while pursuing a career in aviation myself. I will do my best to give you some insight into what we have experienced.

I started out in aviation shortly after I got married in 2007. My wife and I were both committed to me "chasing the dream." Before I started flying, I read online and came up with the my career progression. I already had a degree, so I would hurry through my ratings while racking up a bit of student loan debt. I would get hired by a regional after obtaining my commercial certificate. (This wasn't unheard of at the time.) I planned on upgrading within 2 to 3 years at the regionals. Once I upgraded, it was a race to 1000 hours of turbine PIC. Once I hit that magic number, it was time to take my pick of majors to work at until retirement.

With this plan firmly in place, I began my training. I continued to work part time, while flying full-time. I paid for my training with student loans, while my wife worked full-time. She was very patient and understanding, since we had a firm goal in place. I will admit it was a bit humbling to have her paying the majority of the bills though. I reminded myself that this was only temporary. When I finished up my ratings, I was hit with the harsh reality that not many airlines were hiring. It was time to move onto plan B: flight instruction.

My first year of instructing was great. I flew about 1000 hours. I wasn't on Forbes list of billionaires, but I was certainly building time fast. I would be at an airline in no time. When I hit the 1200 hour mark, I began to get a bit burned out on instructing full-time. I was working 6 or 7 days a week to make a descent living. I decided to put instructing on the back burner for awhile since it looked like there was no hiring in the immediate future. I took a full time job outside of aviation while continuing to flight instruct part time. I had no intention of giving up on aviation during this time, but I wasn't sure that building more hours of piston single time was going to help me out. I flew enough to stay current and proficient, but non-aviation job allowed me to take a bit of the burden off of my wife for a while. I continued this path until mid to late 2010, when it looked like hiring was picking up.

At that time, I went back to instructing full time, to really make a run at the airlines. I instructed for 5 months while submitting applications to anyone that would allow me to. I got my first call in February 2011. I interviewed and was offered a position. I accepted the offer and took the first available class date. I started class in March. During the first week of class, the calls began rolling in from all of the other airlines I had applied with. I weighed my options, and decided to stick it out where I was. The company had just negotiated a contract, and most importantly, I was in class. I didn't take any of the other interviews.

I was finally an airline pilot! I was 3-4 years behind the original schedule, but here I was. We had met one of our milestones. Training was a bit stressful, but really a lot of fun. It was a big time commitment, but the excitement of the new career got my wife and I through the long spells apart. The process was a bit slow, due to sim availability, OE scheduling, and just general disorganization within the company. They were simply hiring a bit quicker than they were training. This wasn't all bad though. I actually had 6 weeks paid at home waiting on sim availability. Eventually, the checkride and OE were behind me. Everything had gone fairly uneventful. It was time to become a line pilot.

I was assigned EWR as my base as a new hire. I would be commuting from Las Vegas. I would do this until IAH became available. The first month was not bad. It was an adjustment, but it really wasn't bad. Because I wasn't able to bid for the current month, I was assigned a build-up line. I flew 4 day trips and commuted home the day each trip ended. I commuted back to EWR the day before each trip started, and spent the night in a crashpad. It was fairly close to what I imagined the job would be like. I spent a lot of time that month learning how to bid. I went through each of the lines and ranked them. I submitted my bid and was eager to see what my trips would look like for the next month.

When the new lines came out, I realized I was on reserve. On a positive note, I did have weekends off. I would be on reserve Monday - Friday from 1000 to 2400. I really didn't fly much outside of my consolidation of knowledge. This schedule became my life for the next 6 months or so. It was a bit frustrating on Fridays when I would scramble to get released early to catch the last Friday night flight to Vegas at 2030. Most Fridays I was not released. Instead, I would catch the first flight home on Saturday morning. I would be back in Vegas by 1100 on Saturday morning. Since there were no flights that left early enough on Monday, (due to the time change) I would commute back to EWR on Sunday afternoon. I spent an average of 24-30 hours a week at home. This was the most difficult time for my wife and I. Each time scheduling would not release me, I would be on the phone with my wife telling her I would not need picked up Friday night. It was sometimes hard to stay positive during this time. There was only 1 class hired after mine, and they were all assigned IAH as a base. I was stuck on reserve with nobody below me.

Things improved when I was eventually able to bid and be awarded standup lines. (You fly the last flight out of the hub, then the first flight back to the hub. You are considered on duty overnight.) The schedules were all 4 nights on, 4 nights off. I could commute in the day of my trip, and commute home the morning my trip ended. I really enjoyed standups, and had a good balance of time at work and time at home. I took standups whenever I could hold them until my preferential bid allowed me to transfer to IAH.

I really enjoyed the shorter commute to IAH. My commute was now only 3 hours. The downside was that now when I commuted I was sitting in the jumpseat. When I was commuting to EWR, there were empty seats about 50% of the time. Commuting to IAH, there were empty seats less than 10% of the time. It really wasn't an issue, it just made each commute a bit more nerve racking. I was always worried someone would beat me to the jumpseat, or a mainline pilot would show up and request it. It usually worked out though. The other downside to IAH, was that I was back on reserve. It was back to a small amount of time at home. I really didn't fly much in IAH either. I spent a lot of time away from home, but I was sitting in the crashpad most of the time. It would get a bit frustrating at times. It was especially hard on my wife. She was sacrificing so that I could pursue my dreams, and here I was complaining about it. During this time, we had a few talks about if this career was worth it. I was hardly home, I was making contractual minimum due to a lack of flying, and there was no real movement in sight. We were also expecting a little one in May 2012. (Remember all that time at home during standups)

In March of 2012, I got an offer to pursue a job as a corporate pilot in Vegas. I started the new job in April. The airline I had worked for filed bankruptcy around the same time that I left. Talk about lucky. I certainly appreciate my luck, but am truly sorry for all of the great people I worked with. I hear things have gotten pretty rough from the few friends that stuck it out. Many of my friends have started over at new regionals. They are back at the bottom of a seniority list. Most of them remain optimistic though. I myself am really enjoying the other side of the airport, and hope to make a career of it. It has been fantastic spending so much time with my wife and new daughter. It really is the best fit for me.

Now, I'm finished with my story and hope to give you my take on it. My journey has looked very little like the journey I intended to take. I now realize that my original timeline was completely unrealistic. I thought I would be handpicking my retirement airline right now. I am very far from that if I decide to go that route. With that said, I am making a living in aviation. That is what I want to do. I am happy with my choice. My wife has been very supportive through it all. If she was not, this never would have worked out. I would have given up aviation quite a while ago. I really believe it can work, but it is not easy. I don't think any amount of reading could have prepared me for what life was like commuting on reserve at a regional. It was something I had to experience for myself. I hope I don't come across as complaining though. I chose an airline based on the east coast while living in Las Vegas. I really believe the job would be significantly better living in base. It was tough commuting to sit reserve, but it was doable. It would have been much harder for me if my daughter was here during that time. It would have been even more difficult to start over at another regional with a new kiddo at home. I know this was long, but I hope it gives a bit of insight. My only advice is to go into the career with realistic expectations, and be ready for change.
 
When I dated my wife in undergraduate, we lived in different cities and saw each other 3 days a week.

When I was in my first year at a regional, I was commuting from Utah to the New York area, I saw her 1-2 days a week.

When I got furloughed, we were living together and worked at the same job, we saw each other every day, all the time.

When I went back to school we were obviously living together, but I only really saw her 1-2 hours a day.

When I was going to school AND flying I wouldn't see her more than 1 day per week.

You know what changed in our relationship through all that?

Nothing.

Life is what you make of it.
 
Here's some advice for being a pilot's wife:

-Things break when he's gone. That's a fact. Deal with it. Be able to deal with a water heater that leaves you with an inch of water on the basement floor. Be able to deal with an a/c unit that quits working at 9:30 on a Friday night when it's going to be 105 the next day.

-He won't be there to "give you a break" when he gets home from work every night. Because he won't be home from work every night. When he does get home, don't jump right on him with a to-do list and demand that he get straight to doing stuff around the house, give him a few hours to get out of the uniform and decompress.

-Be independent. Co-depenedency WILL NOT WORK. You can't call him every couple hours during the day. Be your own person, have a hobby and/or things to keep you busy that YOU enjoy and that are for YOU.

-Having kids is hard. It's harder when the other half of the parental unit is gone 2-5 days a week. Don't carry a grudge that he's gone, it's just the way it is. Remember it's quality not quantity of time spent with family. 2-3 full days off a week spent wisely is better than 2 days off on the weekend with him off playing golf and getting home at 7pm and leaving for work at 7 am every weekday.

-Don't be jealous that he's off sleeping in hotels and "sleeping through the night" while you're home with baby, hotels are over-rated and a lot noisier and less "glamourous" than you think. I spent 7 years "living" in hotels with the airlines, I'll take my own bed in my own house any night of the week and twice on Sundays.

-Did I mention not to be co-dependent? Yeah, that's cause IT WON'T WORK.


My nickel's worth of free advice from someone who spent 7 of my own years at the airlines, 10 years as a pilot's wife and 9 years as mom.
 
Here's some advice for being a pilot's wife:

-Things break when he's gone. That's a fact. Deal with it. Be able to deal with a water heater that leaves you with an inch of water on the basement floor. Be able to deal with an a/c unit that quits working at 9:30 on a Friday night when it's going to be 105 the next day.

-He won't be there to "give you a break" when he gets home from work every night. Because he won't be home from work every night. When he does get home, don't jump right on him with a to-do list and demand that he get straight to doing stuff around the house, give him a few hours to get out of the uniform and decompress.

-Be independent. Co-depenedency WILL NOT WORK. You can't call him every couple hours during the day. Be your own person, have a hobby and/or things to keep you busy that YOU enjoy and that are for YOU.

-Having kids is hard. It's harder when the other half of the parental unit is gone 2-5 days a week. Don't carry a grudge that he's gone, it's just the way it is. Remember it's quality not quantity of time spent with family. 2-3 full days off a week spent wisely is better than 2 days off on the weekend with him off playing golf and getting home at 7pm and leaving for work at 7 am every weekday.

-Don't be jealous that he's off sleeping in hotels and "sleeping through the night" while you're home with baby, hotels are over-rated and a lot noisier and less "glamourous" than you think. I spent 7 years "living" in hotels with the airlines, I'll take my own bed in my own house any night of the week and twice on Sundays.

-Did I mention not to be co-dependent? Yeah, that's cause IT WON'T WORK.


My nickel's worth of free advice from someone who spent 7 of my own years at the airlines, 10 years as a pilot's wife and 9 years as mom.

God, that's great advice. Only, I really feel that's advice that shouldn't need to be given.
 
I'm also an educator. I'm lucky that I live in the land of airports. As much as I enjoy flying, I've never considered going the way of airline pilot. It just wouldn't work out with family life (and I'd be afraid a medical issue could ground me for months as I've had complicated pregnancies/ pregnancy complicated). I have worked with kids during the summers doing aviation/ science themed camps and love it. They also have an aviation high school here and I've considered transferring there, but don't think I'd enjoy having to repeat classes. I've incorporated aviation lessons and field trips into my regular curriculum (I have gifted now, so it's been fairly easy). I'm also planning on eventually getting CFI and working after school/ weekends at that, possibly in the summer, but the heat is unbearable then. So, you could still continue your current job and incorporate aspects of aviation into that.
 
Here's some advice for being a pilot's wife:

-Things break when he's gone. That's a fact. Deal with it. Be able to deal with a water heater that leaves you with an inch of water on the basement floor. Be able to deal with an a/c unit that quits working at 9:30 on a Friday night when it's going to be 105 the next day.

-He won't be there to "give you a break" when he gets home from work every night. Because he won't be home from work every night. When he does get home, don't jump right on him with a to-do list and demand that he get straight to doing stuff around the house, give him a few hours to get out of the uniform and decompress.

-Be independent. Co-depenedency WILL NOT WORK. You can't call him every couple hours during the day. Be your own person, have a hobby and/or things to keep you busy that YOU enjoy and that are for YOU.

-Having kids is hard. It's harder when the other half of the parental unit is gone 2-5 days a week. Don't carry a grudge that he's gone, it's just the way it is. Remember it's quality not quantity of time spent with family. 2-3 full days off a week spent wisely is better than 2 days off on the weekend with him off playing golf and getting home at 7pm and leaving for work at 7 am every weekday.

-Don't be jealous that he's off sleeping in hotels and "sleeping through the night" while you're home with baby, hotels are over-rated and a lot noisier and less "glamourous" than you think. I spent 7 years "living" in hotels with the airlines, I'll take my own bed in my own house any night of the week and twice on Sundays.

-Did I mention not to be co-dependent? Yeah, that's cause IT WON'T WORK.


My nickel's worth of free advice from someone who spent 7 of my own years at the airlines, 10 years as a pilot's wife and 9 years as mom.
THIS!!!! THIS THIS AND MORE THIS!!! My wife is great about this but its still hard some times. I think the hardest part about it for her though is being able to go from independent to dependent and back multiple times a month. Amber you summed it up wonderfully! I am glad I read that before I started typing away, and I love that it came from a female, no offense.
 
Pilot's son here (himself an airline pilot). Observations:

Dad was home ROUGHLY as much as the other kids' dads, just he was (1) never home at Christmas until he was #1500-someodd of 12,000 and (2) condensed his time off into being off, and his work time into working. That was due to us all living in base (first SEA, later LAX).

I'm going to bold this so that it's really, really clear:

If you are a commuter, especially to a regional coupled with a lousy schedule/reserve, your family life will suffer. I don't know if it's worth it—that's an individual decision. I personally wouldn't do it. (I did commute via air, to reserve, to a regional halfway across the country for a few months.)

Here's some advice for being a pilot's wife:

-Things break when he's gone. That's a fact. Deal with it. Be able to deal with a water heater that leaves you with an inch of water on the basement floor. Be able to deal with an a/c unit that quits working at 9:30 on a Friday night when it's going to be 105 the next day.
Definitely. Being sort of handy is a requirement. Stuff also has an odd habit of breaking immediately before a four-day trip. (I think that's harder to handle than stuff merely breaking, especially as someone who gets to/has to leave.)

-He won't be there to "give you a break" when he gets home from work every night. Because he won't be home from work every night. When he does get home, don't jump right on him with a to-do list and demand that he get straight to doing stuff around the house, give him a few hours to get out of the uniform and decompress.
Please don't. It'll be met with unhappiness. Re-entering from work is surprisingly difficult to do. The "Honeydo" list will eventually get done, just not immediately.

When I get home, the first thing I want to do is take a shower. I have about zero interest in doing anything else until I've washed the top layer of airplane off and have put on some civvies.

-Having kids is hard. It's harder when the other half of the parental unit is gone 2-5 days a week. Don't carry a grudge that he's gone, it's just the way it is. Remember it's quality not quantity of time spent with family. 2-3 full days off a week spent wisely is better than 2 days off on the weekend with him off playing golf and getting home at 7pm and leaving for work at 7 am every weekday.
Mom sort of got the short end of the stick here—she was the one who got to make us kids eat the veggies and go to sleep on time, and dad was the one who came to Little League and took me flying and all that good stuff.

Then again, Dad cracked the whip on occasion, and "If your father was here (...)" was actually pretty damn effective. (To this day, my desires are to (1) not get killed, (2) not make the front page of the Times or continuous live feed to CNN, and (3) not disappoint my father, but that's neither here nor there.)

-Don't be jealous that he's off sleeping in hotels and "sleeping through the night" while you're home with baby, hotels are over-rated and a lot noisier and less "glamourous" than you think. I spent 7 years "living" in hotels with the airlines, I'll take my own bed in my own house any night of the week and twice on Sundays.
Yup. It's surprisingly difficult to get to sleep in a different bed every night. And if you are particularly unlucky, someone is having sex next door to your room/on top of your room/having a dance party/beating the crap out of someone (all of these have actually happened to me) with poor acoustic isolation, and you wind up feeling like a zombie as you jump into your jet jammies at 0430 the next morning.

The airline pilot / flight attendant thing. So cliche!
Escape! ;) :P

When I dated my wife in undergraduate, we lived in different cities and saw each other 3 days a week.

When I was in my first year at a regional, I was commuting from Utah to the New York area, I saw her 1-2 days a week.

When I got furloughed, we were living together and worked at the same job, we saw each other every day, all the time.

When I went back to school we were obviously living together, but I only really saw her 1-2 hours a day.

When I was going to school AND flying I wouldn't see her more than 1 day per week.

You know what changed in our relationship through all that?

Nothing.

Life is what you make of it.
Very much so. Maximize and make the best of the time that you have together, work smart, work hard.
 
My six year old just burst into tears because I'm leaving on a three day trip tomorrow. He asked me when I won't have to go to work anymore.

This is in a month where I've had 14 days off so far.
 
Christmas is overrated anyway! :)

For real.
Thanksgiving is a hell of a lot more important to me personally.

My six year old just burst into tears because I'm leaving on a three day trip tomorrow. He asked me when I won't have to go to work anymore.

This is in a month where I've had 14 days off so far.
Days at home in July: zero, although that's initial-training induced.
 
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