Hiring tracking (opposite of furlough tracking)

I'm not sure what is going on at my shop, but it seems to be good news.

Last official announcement was 70 new hires 1st half of '13 for the 747.

In the last 10 days, a class of 10 for the 76 was rumored one morning and facted (close enough!) in the afternoon. Today, an announcement for 15 short-course 767 pilots came out, so that's 25 extra hires on a plane we were adequately staffed on 14 days ago. (No it's not due to retirement doom, there's 35 next year) and we're not losing many due to attrition either.
 
Omni just posted 7 FO vacancies (3 for the 767, 4 for the 777), which will be filled by new-hires. It's not a huge influx yet, but there's a class going currently for the 777, as well. 2013 should see a fair amount of movement.
 
Thanks for the update das. I applied a few weeks back, no joy. I'm going to wait another month or so and update my stuff!
 
How firm is the 500 hour min for XC at SkyWest? I'm at ~1,490tt/145me/405xc w/ATP written and I have the rest of the ATP mins also
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Pretty much tells you about the quality of a carrier when they fly mainline equipment and have such low minimums.

Virgin will be out of business by the end of the year.
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Lots of good carriers out there hire guys without TPIC. Having some RJ PIC doesn't help you any more than anyone else when you're overseas for the first time in a heavy. You're simply in the same boat as anyone else who hasn't flown in that type of operation. And hell, I don't have any TPIC either, but I'd be more than happy to give you the ins and outs of oceanic ops. I don't think they taught that in RJ school.

You guys should know better: The reason you upgraded was because you were hired at the right time. Nothing more.
 
As someone recently hired by a carrier that doesn't have a TPIC requirement, you eliminate a whole lot of quality people just because of that. Take a look at Eagle. You've got some good pilots over there with great skills, lots of 121 experience and local knowledge of some pretty important airports. You wanna eliminate them as potential hires just because the industry stagnated and they didn't have the seniority to upgrade? What about those guys at Pinnacle in a few years? 7 year FOs that ALMOST upgraded, but now they never will unless they go to a Go Jets or something similar to get the TPIC. What do you think they should do? Go to a bottom feeder just to get the TPIC or stagnate for another 5 years before they finally upgrade so they can move on to United in another 1-2 years? I think that's pretty short sighted myself.

I can't speak for Virgin, but for the record, here a SMALL minority of the new hires here are without TPIC time. 2 guys in my class. The rest were either CAs or guys that had been at Comair and were downgraded after being CAs. All had significant amounts of turbine total time.

If Vigin's out in a few years, I don't think I'd chalk it up to their lack of a TPIC requirement.....
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Pretty much tells you about the quality of a carrier when they fly mainline equipment and have such low minimums.

Virgin will be out of business by the end of the year.
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Such low minimums? Up until Nov 2011, VX had the highest published minimums for any 121 airline in this country. 5,000 total and 1,000TPIC. After Nov '11, they changed it to ATP and 4,000 and "prefer 1000 TPIC."

Delta and United both have far lower minimums, with Comm-Inst-ME ratings and 1,200-1,500 total time. Then you make an excuse that you'd only get hired with that if your dad is a checkairman. No, not always true. Those with really good connections, airline interns, and sheer luck can get hired at around the minimums.

You seem to be a stickler for 1,000TPIC. I remind you though, that not having TPIC doesn't say anything about an applicant, but rather the industry. When you started at 9E, mainline NWA was parking its 727s and DC9s, and Pinnacle was gaining 100+ CRJs from the order. Upgrade was instant, even hiring street Captains. Or as soon as you hit the company mins, you were in upgrade class. I was hired in '07, when the plane deliveries had stopped, and the recession around the corner. Not obtaining TPIC was no fault of my own, it's just the way the cards playedout in the industry. You upgraded not because of more or better skill than I, but because your timing was right.

And didn't you get hired at AAI without a college degree? OMG gasp what does that say about Airtran. :rolleyes:

As kellwolf said, it's still a small minority of guys getting hired without TPIC time. The majority still have lots of TPIC time and are current Captains at regionals. And remember, VX publishes "preferred" in addition to "minimums." In the "preferred" category, VX would "like to see" TPIC time, A320 type rating, and checkairman/instructor time.

Spirit recently required an ATP and 4,000 hours and now have CHANGED it to 3,000 total hours. But have you comment on that? No, which brings us to our next point, Spirit is ALPA and your real disdain for VX stems from the fact they are non-ALPA.

As of right now, the highest published minimums for any Part 121 airline are at VX. An ATP and 4,000 hours total minimum, and "prefer" A320 type, TPIC time, and checkairman/instructor time.

Edit: Btw, JetBlue requires an ATP and 1,500 total, no TPIC time, and they too are non-union. Any comments ATNPilot? And what of those Cape Air gateway guys? Cessna 402 straight into an A320? GASP! :sarcasm:
 
Also, IMO, the airlines are wising up to the stagnation of the regional industry, and are opting to drop the TPIC requirement altogether. United/Continental already has done that, VX, Spirit, and even Alaska. I saw an internal hiring memo for Alaska posted on another forum and it mentions requiring an ATP and 3000 total, and that the TPIC requirement is now gone.
 
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