Hey, jet pilot types, learn me something'

People wreck perfectly good airplanes all the time.

It's our duty as professionals to learn and take a good look at the spidey-haired dude with epaulets in the mirror to avoid finding ourselves in another circumstance like that.

Wing falls off, sometimes you're just screwed from the get-go.

But that wasn't the case.

Learn, folks.
 
Another example.

I'm going to a bizarre airplane. I'm not depending on my training department to fill in the gaps so I'm already talking about the new airplane at every opportunity.

I'm commuting next to a former A330 captain who has given me a lot of good information from years of flying the jet. Things that he says that I'm not going to learn from initial training.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Yeah, I guess you're right. Everyone loves a good laugh at someone dying before their time and leaving behind a family, right? :sarcasm:

You're a POS.

Go ahead and suspend me, mods. It's worth it. He makes me sick.
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Between the ages of 12 and 30, not a year has passed that my family or myself hasn't lost a friend in a crash. I was 18 before I attended my first funeral that had enough parts for a coffin. Once we step away from the families, we aren't afraid to call a spade a spade.

The Internet turns • into brave men. Say that to my face and you'd be a scared little bitch.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Between the ages of 12 and 30, not a year has passed that my family or myself hasn't lost a friend in a crash. I was 18 before I attended my first funeral that had enough parts for a coffin. Once we step away from the families, we aren't afraid to call a spade a spade.
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There is a difference between criticizing a deceased crew and making a joke, a punch line out of them.
 
General note: Stick to the subject at hand gents. Fire and counter-fire are complete, a round each. Weapons Tight is terminated. Now at Weapons Hold. Don't violate it. Thanks!

Continue...
 
cencal83406 said:
Does pilot fighter laugh at the guy who stalled a B52 hot dogging it? Or the crew that shut down the wrong engine on approach?
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It appears that you are lacking in education, intelligence, or grasp of the language. Comedy and tragedy are partners and not all comedic utterings are chasing a cheap laugh.

In the case of Bud Holland, he deserves to be the butt of every joke used to highlight reckless arrogance. Did I laugh when Holland crashed flat-hatting in 1994? No, anger came first. Anger that he killed his crew, leaving widows and fatherless children. In the company of pilots, no words are minced and I wouldn't mind if posters of Holland are posted in every ready room. And yes, he is the perfect punchline to a not-so-funny joke, a joke that resonates. If I tell a nugget that I witnessed a Holland-like performance, he will know exactly what I am communicating.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
It appears that you are lacking in education, intelligence, or grasp of the language. Comedy and tragedy are partners and not all comedic utterings are chasing a cheap laugh.

In the case of Bud Holland, he deserves to be the butt of every joke used to highlight reckless arrogance. Did I laugh when Holland crashed flat-hatting in 1994? No, anger came first. Anger that he killed his crew, leaving widows and fatherless children. In the company of pilots, no words are minced and I wouldn't mind if posters of Holland are posted in every ready room. And yes, he is the perfect punchline to a not-so-funny joke, a joke that resonates. If I tell a nugget that I witnessed a Holland-like performance, he will know exactly what I am communicating.
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You are right. I am lacking in all three: education, intelligence, and I cannot grasp English.

I still don't see how any dark humor helps us L E A R N from an accident though.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Between the ages of 12 and 30, not a year has passed that my family or myself hasn't lost a friend in a crash. I was 18 before I attended my first funeral that had enough parts for a coffin. Once we step away from the families, we aren't afraid to call a spade a spade.

The Internet turns into brave men. Say that to my face and you'd be a scared little bitch.
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Cut it.

Now.

That's as retarded as "after school"

You've both been given a freebie so don't make me make an ass of you online and belittle you until you bite your pillow as you cry yourself to sleep moaning "I hate that Derg! I hate him, I hate him..."

It's easy and I happen to really enjoy doing it.

Rob me of the opportunity.
 
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cencal83406 said:
.............I still don't see how any dark humor helps us L E A R N from an accident though.
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You might not LEARN from the dark humor but it might just help us to not forget that it happened. Humor (yes, even dark humor) is a venue in which to bond with others with whom you share a common skill, goal, trait, whatever.....

This is similar to people that complain about or protest a movie. If you don't like the movie, don't go see it. Likewise if you don't like the joke either don't laugh or don't respond. No amount of back and forth puffing of the chest or ruffling of feathers will change the way we each, as individuals, handle these situations. Nor will it change the way others react to the manner in which we handle these situations.

Pilot Fighter said:
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In the case of Bud Holland, he deserves to be the butt of every joke used to highlight reckless arrogance........

.....And yes, he is the perfect punchline to a not-so-funny joke, a joke that resonates. If I tell a nugget that I witnessed a Holland-like performance, he will know exactly what I am communicating.
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Likewise when we mention (or trash) the crew of 3701. Everyone understand what is meant when you say, "Whoa that was a 3701/Pinnacle move right there!" And so the crew of Pinnacle 3701 lives on; if for no other reason than to teach us how NOT to be.
 
dustoff17 said:
You might not LEARN from the dark humor but it might just help us to not forget that it happened. Humor (yes, even dark humor) is a venue in which to bond with others with whom you share a common skill, goal, trait, whatever.....

This is similar to people that complain about or protest a movie. If you don't like the movie, don't go see it. Likewise if you don't like the joke either don't laugh or don't respond. No amount of back and forth puffing of the chest or ruffling of feathers will change the way we each, as individuals, handle these situations. Nor will it change the way others react to the manner in which we handle these situations.


Likewise when we mention (or trash) the crew of 3701. Everyone understand what is meant when you say, "Whoa that was a 3701/Pinnacle move right there!" And so the crew of Pinnacle 3701 lives on; if for no other reason than to teach us how NOT to be.
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If you are saying "that was a Pinnacle move", you are trashing ever other pilot there who has always safely transported passengers by the book.
 
cencal83406 said:
If you are saying "that was a Pinnacle move", you are trashing ever other pilot there who has always safely transported passengers by the book.
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I agree only if you fly for Pinnacle, have flown in the same manner as 3701, and believe the crew was blameless in the accident. Otherwise, your response is a stretch; even for this venue.......

AND, might I add, this is a crazy "deviation" from the original post!!
 
cencal83406 said:
It's required... Why are we even talking about not doing it?

"FMS - Set" on Before Start Check shouldn't be called or acknowledged until the crewmembers have verified the legs based on clearance and flight plan, including going to the north up page on the MFD and scrolling through the fixes. Finally, mileage is to be verified. Once on the runway when TOGA is pressed that is your final clue as to correctness of FP - distance to runway should read 0 if you have selected the correct (the one you are on) runway for the SID.
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That's all shiny jet stuff, so, uh...something like that!
 
Derg said:
I'm going to save this post just to show you how ridiculous this reads when you take a nap and calm down after snack time.
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Had my afternoon snack, and got 8 hours of sleep, so I don't need a nap. He's still a POS.

I know that if someone was having a conversation in my "living room" and cracked jokes about dead fellow pilots, they wouldn't be in my living room for long. Maybe you have different standards.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Between the ages of 12 and 30, not a year has passed that my family or myself hasn't lost a friend in a crash. I was 18 before I attended my first funeral that had enough parts for a coffin. Once we step away from the families, we aren't afraid to call a spade a spade.

The Internet turns into brave men. Say that to my face and you'd be a scared little bitch.
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Come to NJC in October and find out, Mav.
 
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