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Not really relevant. Lots of 3 and above engined aircraft have inop engine procedures. This is a 2 engine aircraft.
Hello Rabbit hole, thanks N600RA...
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Not really relevant. Lots of 3 and above engined aircraft have inop engine procedures. This is a 2 engine aircraft.
Boris Badenov
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Yeah, stupid old man!
Pilot Fighter
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Engine out + take-off + bizjets = some relevancy in my mind.
I'm not surprised that a Falcon trijet has an engine-out take-off procedure. I think it's interesting but for fear of overshooting the mark, categorized it as trivial.
I'm sure that it would only be legal for ferry flights in most jurisdictions.
Pilot Fighter
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Tough audience.
Gonzo
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DC-10/MD-11 have two engine take off procedure. The 747 has a three engine take off procedure.
ASpilot2be
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I have seen a DC-6 do a three engine takeoff.
Blackhawk
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Again, with pax? A ferry permit I could see. I've seen many procedures that were legal but restricted to ferry only. Just because a manufacturer has a procedure to do something does not mean it is legal under 121/135.
Also, even if a procedure is "legal", technically it may be impossible to do with pax. For example, in the ATR-72 we were legal to take off with one AC wild generator inop. Due to the resultant climb gradient if we lost an engine, however, we were essentially limited to an empty airplane as there was not way to raise the landing gear if the engine with the operating AC wild generator failed.
Also, even if a procedure is "legal", technically it may be impossible to do with pax. For example, in the ATR-72 we were legal to take off with one AC wild generator inop. Due to the resultant climb gradient if we lost an engine, however, we were essentially limited to an empty airplane as there was not way to raise the landing gear if the engine with the operating AC wild generator failed.
Pilot Fighter
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I would have assumed DC-10, MD-11, and Tri-Star all had published engine-out procedures. I would not have automatically made the same assumption about the 50's. But, it has been pointed out that I'm old and stupid and easily entertained.
Pilot Fighter
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...or that you could find somebody to sign the ferry permit. FAA is not afraid to say, fix it where it's at.
z987k
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They give ferry permits for about anything. As long as you can reasonably prove it's safe. And even then.
Last time we got a ferry permit I was thanked for bothering to even get one.
Blackhawk
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... and they've gotten in trouble for doing so. FAA safety inspectors aren't above getting their hands slapped. Like giving a ferry permit to an airplane with pitot tube damage. Manafuacter- "You did WHAT????"
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So I was bored in my hotel room tonight, and I was browsing FB. I am friends with an aircraft sales page and they had for sale, an aircraft that I wasn't familiar with. Meet N600RA (now sold):
She is an Aerospatiale Corvette. Arousing my curiosity, I started reading a bit about the aircraft, I have never seen one before so I was generally curious. Looks like a Falcon 20 had sex with a Lear 35, and given the era of the aircraft, that is probably where how they gathered the design for the Corvette.
Multiple clicks later, I arrive at this:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19980319-1
So I begin to read, and the bafoonery is strong with this accident. I am assuming that the picture of N600RA posted for sale was in gross error for multiple reasons, but it killed a solid hour in the hotel room which is cool. Very interesting accident, and I think it is the first time of somebody trying to depart with passengers, with only one engine...
Here is the NTSB rundown:
http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/183019-1.html
Here is the actual NTSB report. The pilot had initially lied to investigators, saying that the engine had failed at V1....
http://www.ntsb.gov/about/employmen...ev_id=20001211X09774&ntsbno=SEA98FA047&akey=1
This is actually a shocking report to read. Can anyone shed more light? I was surprised that I didn't see the pilot named in the accident, although I am 3 glasses deep in some Oregon Pinot (ironic right?) so I might have missed it. I would guess that the pilot is no longer flying...
Happened before, with one of the "parents" (according to your origin hypothesis)... must be in the DNA.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19770428-1
I doubt if it's for anything other than a maintenance ferry under very particular circumstances.
Ahh, the "ferry".
Sometimes a pilot-in-command needs to put on his big boy pants and be a… pilot in command.
Honeybunches of NOPE: http://flightsafety.org/ap/ap_may96.pdf
Sometimes a pilot-in-command needs to put on his big boy pants and be a… pilot in command.
Honeybunches of NOPE: http://flightsafety.org/ap/ap_may96.pdf
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But it's a procedure listed in the AFM, therefore we are all experts on it.
That ended up being some Cinnamon Toast Crunch AMIRITE?!
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Would have loved to hear that one.
Nope. I read through the procedure on the DC-8 and if you're going to let me run through it a few times in the sim… "maybe", under very particular circumstances.
But old turkey after simply reading it? That first abort was Murphy saying, "Hey man, I let you slide this time"