Gulfstream International Files for Chapter 11

Re: Gulfstream Int'l Airlines files Chapter 11

Not expecting any layoffs is only partially true. GIA is looking for people to take COLAs before they starting hammering people, so we'll see.
 
Re: Gulfstream Int'l Airlines files Chapter 11

Lemme combine this with the other one.. ;)
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
The Great Mistakers on here work for a descent company, For some time now they have been working on transitioning to the E120. Shouldn't present a problem. I hope they go under man, I would feel bad for the guys but maybe CommutAir would pick up their routes for CAL out of CLE with the Dash 8. If they do it would be good news for me.
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Or Pinnacle Corp. I know where they can find some Saabs.....
 
Say what you all want to say... what I will in response is shame on you all for "wishing" for pilots to lose their jobs. At the present time, nobody is going anywhere. To assume that Chapter 11 means GIA is done for, you need to do some research.

I've never been a huge fan of management either, but for some of you (even those that I know personally), to wish us due harm... shame on you...

I also know that quite a few of you are furloughed, yourselves... I can't imagine you'd be thrilled if people came on here rooting for your job loss.
 
jboynm said:
Say what you all want to say... what I will in response is shame on you all for "wishing" for pilots to lose their jobs. At the present time, nobody is going anywhere. To assume that Chapter 11 means GIA is done for, you need to do some research.

I've never been a huge fan of management either, but for some of you (even those that I know personally), to wish us due harm... shame on you...

I also know that quite a few of you are furloughed, yourselves... I can't imagine you'd be thrilled if people came on here rooting for your job loss.
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:yeahthat:
 
jboynm said:
...shame on you all for "wishing" for pilots to lose their jobs.

I've never been a huge fan of management either, but for some of you (even those that I know personally), to wish us due harm... shame on you...
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Shame on you for bringing furloughed pilots into this arguement.....GIA pilots weren't too concerned about other pilots when they were buying their way into an airline seat...thus prolonging the time honest time builders could advance. All while agreeing to work for less $$.

Shame on who?
 
jboynm said:
Say what you all want to say... what I will in response is shame on you all for "wishing" for pilots to lose their jobs.
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seriously?

Well then, I'll flat out say it: If no one from GIA retains their job, nobody is going to cry. While it is unfortunate the hired street captains who did not go through the pay to play program are in the same boat, I have no sympathy for those who support a PFJ program in any way, whether it be in admin, on the line, or something else.

By saying "wish us" due harm, does that mean you are employed by GIA? If so, tough cookies that your company is in bad shape, it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of people.
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
I think that the Chapter 11 may have something to do with the new cockpit door law. As of January 2011 all Part 121 Aircarrier aircraft must have securable reinforced cockpit doors. The law has been in effect for a while but no one will be able to get around it this time.

The doors weigh a lot and between the weight and the w&b issues the front 4 seats in the airplane would be unusable. Thats a lot when you consider it only carries 19. Just my 2 cents. Discuss
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Ridiculous! It's a freakin' Beech 1900D! 9/11 mastermind Mohammad Atta flew PWM-BOS on a Beech 1900 before he boarded the AA flight. Sure, he could have attacked the pilots and used the Beech to slam it in the WTC. But come on, even HE knew it was just a freakin' Beech 1900!
 
NJA_Capt said:
Shame on you for bringing furloughed pilots into this arguement.....GIA pilots weren't too concerned about other pilots when they were buying their way into an airline seat...thus prolonging the time honest time builders could advance. All while agreeing to work for less $$.

Shame on who?
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Prolonging the time? Lets call a spade a spade. No one is prolonging your time to the regionals, except you as a pilot yourself. You have MANY ways to get there to the regional. Some choose to CFI, others RJ programs, some Gulfstream, others banner tow, etc.

Honest time builders? How about the ones I've encountered logging SIC time in a Cessna Caravan when their prior company had no requirement of a FO on a Caravan? Or those Kind Air pilots who were logging SIC even though it was totally illegal and a SIC was never required, not by FAA regs nor by company requirement. Gulfstream pilots did not affect you and your "honest" ways of logging flight time. Anyone was free to come to Gulfstream. I went to a non-PFJ offshoot of Gulfstream. At the time I had just a Comm-Ins-ME. No Comm SE, no CFIs. Now add the thousands it would have taken to get the Comm SE, CFI initial, CFI-I, and ME-I. The cost at the end of the day after 12 months would have been the same as going to Gulfstream. It is a personal choice. It's yours to make, no one is stopping you. I made my decision, took the plunge in 2007, and couldn't be happier. I barely beat the downturn recession of 2008/2009/2010. Had I not done it, I would never have gotten hired at a regional in 2007. Now I sit with 3 years seniority at my current airline.

Anyway, back on point, you should be sympathetic to Gulfstream pilots if they lose their jobs. Most of their PFJ pilots have already moved on, and barely anyone is going through the program these days. Most of the ones that will be affected are street CAs and other seniority list (non program) pilots.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Prolonging the time? Lets call a spade a spade. No one is prolonging your time to the regionals, except you as a pilot yourself. You have MANY ways to get there to the regional. Some choose to CFI, others RJ programs, some Gulfstream, others banner tow, etc.

Honest time builders? How about the ones I've encountered logging SIC time in a Cessna Caravan when their prior company had no requirement of a FO on a Caravan? Or those Kind Air pilots who were logging SIC even though it was totally illegal and a SIC was never required, not by FAA regs nor by company requirement. Gulfstream pilots did not affect you and your "honest" ways of logging flight time. Anyone was free to come to Gulfstream. I went to a non-PFJ offshoot of Gulfstream. At the time I had just a Comm-Ins-ME. No Comm SE, no CFIs. Now add the thousands it would have taken to get the Comm SE, CFI initial, CFI-I, and ME-I. The cost at the end of the day after 12 months would have been the same as going to Gulfstream. It is a personal choice. It's yours to make, no one is stopping you. I made my decision, took the plunge in 2007, and couldn't be happier. I barely beat the downturn recession of 2008/2009/2010. Had I not done it, I would never have gotten hired at a regional in 2007. Now I sit with 3 years seniority at my current airline.

Anyway, back on point, you should be sympathetic to Gulfstream pilots if they lose their jobs. Most of their PFJ pilots have already moved on, and barely anyone is going through the program these days. Most of the ones that will be affected are street CAs and other seniority list (non program) pilots.
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This is hilarious. Who's turn was it for the popcorn? Pass it along...
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Prolonging the time? Lets call a spade a spade. No one is prolonging your time to the regionals, except you as a pilot yourself. You have MANY ways to get there to the regional. Some choose to CFI, others RJ programs, some Gulfstream, others banner tow, etc.

Honest time builders? How about the ones I've encountered logging SIC time in a Cessna Caravan when their prior company had no requirement of a FO on a Caravan? Or those Kind Air pilots who were logging SIC even though it was totally illegal and a SIC was never required, not by FAA regs nor by company requirement. Gulfstream pilots did not affect you and your "honest" ways of logging flight time. Anyone was free to come to Gulfstream. I went to a non-PFJ offshoot of Gulfstream. At the time I had just a Comm-Ins-ME. No Comm SE, no CFIs. Now add the thousands it would have taken to get the Comm SE, CFI initial, CFI-I, and ME-I. The cost at the end of the day after 12 months would have been the same as going to Gulfstream. It is a personal choice. It's yours to make, no one is stopping you. I made my decision, took the plunge in 2007, and couldn't be happier. I barely beat the downturn recession of 2008/2009/2010. Had I not done it, I would never have gotten hired at a regional in 2007. Now I sit with 3 years seniority at my current airline.

Anyway, back on point, you should be sympathetic to Gulfstream pilots if they lose their jobs. Most of their PFJ pilots have already moved on, and barely anyone is going through the program these days. Most of the ones that will be affected are street CAs and other seniority list (non program) pilots.
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True... to save you all some time on more inaccurate ridicule, Gulfstream hasn't hired anyone out of the academy since 2008, and yes, there's almost none of them left. The people who you are showing a lack of respect for were hired off the street. Either way, soapboxes or not, *IF* Gulfstream lays off (which they have never said they are going to), I figured some humanity would be shown towards people in your own line of work. Just remember, these "people who deserve what they're getting" are also flying your family members around everyday, and have been for the last 22 years.
 
jboynm said:
True... to save you all some time on more inaccurate ridicule, Gulfstream hasn't hired anyone out of the academy since 2008, and yes, there's almost none of them left. The people who you are showing a lack of respect for were hired off the street. Either way, soapboxes or not, *IF* Gulfstream lays off (which they have never said they are going to), I figured some humanity would be shown towards people in your own line of work. Just remember, these "people who deserve what they're getting" are also flying your family members around everyday, and have been for the last 22 years.
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No they don't. I refuse to let any of my family members fly on Gulfstream. You may contribute to the problem if you want, but I refuse to pay one dime that may go to Gulfstream. Yes, I do live in Florida, so I have had to educate some family members.
 
^ exactly. Gulfstream and great lakes are both on my family's do not fly list. Learning how to fly through a blizzard into telluride? Good job, but you won't be doing it with us onboard.
 
Let's not get our panties in too much of a tizzy. It's an airline bankruptcy, nothing more, nothing less.

The people that started this program probably decided to get out while the gettin's good, financially, and they probably didn't try too hard to adjust their business model to make it work. A 1990's business model cannot function in the post Y2K era where people were willing (and able) to take out thousands of dollars for a loan to go work/train at an airline to turn around and apply for ANOTHER airline that does not pay that much because of your low experience level and still service that debt.

To the non-PFJ street captains, this is actually a somewhat decent time to be looking for employment at another regional. You've got turbine PIC, you will do well and I wish you success.

To the PFJ student/first officers, what in the WORLD were you thinking? Google much? Really? Reeeeeealllyyyyyyyyyyy?!
 
gne in prog said:
^ exactly. Gulfstream and great lakes are both on my family's do not fly list. Learning how to fly through a blizzard into telluride? Good job, but you won't be doing it with us onboard.
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So you rather your family fly on Colgan than Great Lakes? I'm not bashing anyone at either company just trying to see why you would think that the one with the most recent accident is safer than Gulfstream or Great Lakes?
 
Italianaviator said:
So you rather your family fly on Colgan than Great Lakes? I'm not bashing anyone at either company just trying to see why you would think that the one with the most recent accident is safer than Gulfstream or Great Lakes?
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You got that from what I wrote? That's odd.
 
Reportedly our company won't put anyone on any regional whatsoever, unless the pilots volunteer because they want to get home. This seems rather extreme to me, but the guys making the decisions have a heck of lot more experience flying (both in the front and the back) than I do. If it's indicative of a general attitude, interesting times indeed...

At the very least, it suggests that people have heard the stories of 250 hour jet jockeys (however true or untrue) and they are responding.
 
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