Gulfstream International Files for Chapter 11
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gne in prog
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it's a lot closer interpretation, as i never mentioned colgan, but i won't fly them either (that still isn't an exhaustive list). i'm apparently amongst the few who will pay more for mainline. experience issues of crews aside, the regionals are terrible from a comfort point of view, regardless if it's a tp or an rj.
in fact i paid more and am leaving earlier than i need to so i can be on mainline on sunday when i go to recurrent.
either way, as was previously mentioned, that sad part of gulfstream is that they filed chpt 11 and not 7.
upup89
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Not that I care either way but since their stuff out of CLE is all EAS how does that work transferring from one carrier to another.
OldTownPilot
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I has to get re-bid
gne in prog
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it isn't about wishing the pilots out of work. the captains have no where but better places to go. f/os paying for their jobs? those positions shouldn't exist to begin with. that company is the poster child for the downfall of a profession.
There are a good few bottom-feeder regionals that fit that bill too in their own ways....race to the bottom and all.
Where do you draw the line? Shouldn't they go belly-up too?
Its bad karma, no matter how you dress it up to look nice in order so one can feel good about themselves while doing it.
I'm no fan of GIA, but what Im writing is in direct response to some of the vitriolic posts directed at the employees.
You wishing that......your job could be next.
Cptnchia
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But isn't mainline's attempt to recover scope exactly that?
Depending how its done, it could be. Just bad form to wish ill will like this.
Chief Captain
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It may not be in good taste to wish the demise of an "airline", but this company hurt the profession more than our collective "bad wishes" against GIA will hurt aviation.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
Good riddance GIA!
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
Good riddance GIA!
We have a prominent member here who is former GIA who btw I happen to respect very much. Off with his head too, as he has supposedly hurt the profession as you say? Really?
Bad karma. Classless. Simple as that.
Baronguy18
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Man I like you.
Chief Captain
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I doubt each and every single GIA pilot is a scumbag. Perhaps your friend is one of the few good apples in a rotten bunch. Maybe he's a victim of circumstance?
Either way, I still maintain that overall, this is a positive thing for the industry.
For the company and type of operation. Likely so.
I'm referring to those who are wishing loss of employment to the pilots, yourself included.
It's bad karma to do that, as it will likely come back to bite you in the butt when its your turn to be unemployed.
Chief Captain
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I dislike the pilots more than I dislike the company. Let me explain:
The management team wanted to sell a product- x hrs of flt time for y thousand dollars. That's what every management team does- they try to sell their product. If nobody bought it, the product would come off the market and die a natural death. No harm, no foul. However, there are consumers (pilots) out there who do not value their skill set, and they have chosen to disgrace themselves (and by extension every other commercial pilot) by "PAYING to do a job". Offering their services for free (eg. charity) would be one thing. But to "pay to do a job" is spitting in all of our faces.
The GIA management did nothing wrong. They simply crated a product and marketed it. It's the pilots who decide to buy their product who damage the industry.
The management team wanted to sell a product- x hrs of flt time for y thousand dollars. That's what every management team does- they try to sell their product. If nobody bought it, the product would come off the market and die a natural death. No harm, no foul. However, there are consumers (pilots) out there who do not value their skill set, and they have chosen to disgrace themselves (and by extension every other commercial pilot) by "PAYING to do a job". Offering their services for free (eg. charity) would be one thing. But to "pay to do a job" is spitting in all of our faces.
The GIA management did nothing wrong. They simply crated a product and marketed it. It's the pilots who decide to buy their product who damage the industry.
Stone Cold
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Not sure if this is partially directed at me, but I have wished no ill will on the people who did not pay for training. In the same respect, what were the people thinking that did go there? I thought about trying to get on there as a street captain in the past, and every time I asked myself how I could possibly justify supporting their operation. I could never get desperate enough to apply. It goes back to what I posted in another thread...I wanted to be able to look in the mirror and say I have done as much as I can to support this career, not to follow shortcuts, and screw everybody as I did it.
I feel bad that they went for the quick upgrade and turbine time at a company that is not helping any of our careers. I do not feel bad that the company is hurting. In this day and age, how can you not know the good and bad about companies, and what they do to the industry? The pilots have TPIC, so they will be fine. I just wish they had not went there in the first place. To say I wish the company would survive to help these pilots out who knew where they were going, and were either (hopefully) all desperate, or (worse) were looking for the quick TPIC and knowingly helping a bottom feeder out, would be disingenuous.
Just my opinion...
Wow. You just described most all low-paying and lousy QOL regionals out there in the bolder part. Shoot them at sundown too?
Caution when you cast stones. Collateral damage is often encountered.
Nope, not directed at you. As I said, while GIA and their program they were peddling was bad in any number of ways....which I fully agree. I still don't wish unemployment on anyone. Its just not a good thing to wish in the karma sense.....especially in this volatile industry.
Some here are hating on the company. Others are hoping ill-will on the employees. All I'm saying is that if one wants to cast stones on if a particular company's employees as "bringing down the industry", one could make a good case for some regional pilots knowingly going to bottom-feeder airlines and thus continuing or helping the race to the bottom.
And I still wouldn't wish unemployment on either group.
Stone Cold
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Agreed. And I do feel the bottom feeders are in almost the same class as Gulfstream, but that is just my opinion. I still do not wish ill will on them; I just wish they had not contributed to the problem.