Great Lakes

Hey Matt, I know where you're coming from. 6 months ago I was walking around with my nose in the air, and I didn't think I would ever touch Great Lakes. The nerves of those jerks, not paying during training, $16/hr. I don't think so!!! Hell, I was making great in the high $40's as a cargo Captain. I figured anyone that went there had to be crazy.

Now, 4 months into my Furlough, I've called them several times hoping I can get an interview. Now my story has changed. I would love to have the opportunity to work for those wonderful guys over at Great Lakes! Todays crappy regional very well could turn out to be tomorrows golden opportunity.

Another example. GoJet. Who would want to work for them, and have all the other regional pilots spit on you as you walk through the terminal. I need a job, I have an app in with them, I'll carry a hanky if I have to. It is easy to knock a company when you have a job. I did the same thing. But wait till you're sitting around for 4 months, and you're wife is about to leave you, and you might change your story too.

Yeah I definitely understand that- and I hope I was clear that I wasn't ripping on anyone... I think for me it is not JUST the principle of it (not being paid in training & the $16), but I just don't want to commute and be as miserable as my former coworker was who was commuting from Seattle and did lose his highschool-long GF because he was never home.
So the commuting is a HUGE thing to me, when I pair it with teh $16/hour.

The real question is how quickly do you upgrade to captain pay? Then that $16 is really a temporary non-issue if it only takes 6 months... and considering the Turbine PIC it quickly leads you to... not so bad.

If I was in your position you describe I think I would move to Denver to eliminate what is the worst part to me - commuting- and suck it up and get on the way to the PIC turbine even though it paid nothing on the way there.

I think the main reason I posted is because you can make more than double great lakes pay with a full-time salaried CFI position.
If you get less than $10,000 a year on unemployment then the sacrifice would make sense to me, but for $13,000.... here I go again about the principle of the thing again!

I was truly, genuinely, and sincerly curious, in a non-judgemental way, why people were hoping to get hired there- and you answered my question totally and completely, so thank you for responding!

And, just so you know, I can't hold my nose high! :) I still live in my parent's house, I've been instructing for 2.5 years at a great place that DID offer a few $30,000 salaried positions, which the former manager was able to create SPECIFICALLY for me 6 months after I told him I was gonna have to go to Lakes in order to pay my student loan payment... I didn't take a position because I had an interview date for Horizon and I didn't want to take it and then quit a couple weeks later (this was April of last year a couple months before Alaska Air Group reported a $32 million loss and scheduled 69 furloughs for November... so it didn't actually matter that, even though I was one of only two to get to the sim, I blew it because I was so busy instructing that I didn't have time to hit the sim- and also couldn't fall asleep in the hotel bed the night before the interview. Now those salaried CFI positions are gone (try being an hourly CFI in the winter in Seattle). (How was that for a run-on sentence?)
And my loan payment was due on the 15th.
So I can't hold my head to darn high!!! :)

Even more of a bummer was that the Horizon people thought I was such a good fit for Horizon they told me that, even though their rules say you can't normally reapply for 6 months, they wanted me to reapply in 3 and to not apply to anywhere else (they are VERY nice people there too)!
As I was anxiously counting down those 3 months... with 3 weeks left to go... the $32 million first quarter losses were announced and then the furloughing for November was announced. So I would have been furloughed anyway- like my four former co-workers (two of which are co-workers again).

So I think that should thoroughly establish that I don't think I'm superior to anything, except financially slightly superior to a homeless person- but not by much in the winter!

I realize I had not read about or really been aware of the extent of the furloughs nationwide because I was busy thinking about how Alaska Air Group had the most furloughs. It sounds like everyone else caught up while I haven't been paying attention or reading this site! :(

Where did you get furloughed from (if you want to answer)?

I do hope you get the call.

So now I'm gonna go eat some of my mom's food and then play my guitar while I wait for my international student (thank GOD for him!) to get his commercial written done!

Good luck and thanks for answering so politely!!
 
I talked to Judy today. I've had my app in for about 4 months now and call everytime I see a new job posting. She said the Chief Pilots office is so bombarded with apps that it's taking them a long time to go through them, and just to hang tight. That's what Christine said last time I talked to her a month ago...:banghead:

It just doesn't make sense... Another posting today on willflyforfood for FO positions. If they are so weighed down with apps why are they still posting for more people? I don't know of your times or experience but it sounds to me like thats maybe what they tell people when they don't want to deal with them. It amazes me that so many people are beating down the door to work for less than a job at Mcdonalds, but I guess I am too.
 
It could be that they subscribe to those job sites and it will post the job automatically after a certain amount of days.
 
I had a friend who worked for them for about 9 months....they offered him left seat several times and then never followed through. He got paid about $11-12k a year after taxes working the line. This was about 2 years ago.

I interviewed with them in April of 06 but did not get hired because my Jepp knowledge was not good enough at the time. If you are going to interview with them I suggest you study up on every little detail on Jepp plates....and I mean every little detail.

funny how they care so much when they dont even give their FO's plates.
 
2500TT, 900ME, Part 135 Captain.

I wonder if they avoid guys with your experience because they think you are not willing to put up with the Great Lakes lifestyle and pay? Maybe they don't want to train you and then have you leave because you cant stand it?

Add these words to your resume: " I'm as hungry for hours and your low pay as a CFI " and see if they respond! That is NOT an insult to you in any way!!!
I honestly wonder if that is how they think about expereinced guys who have worked at good airlines for a more fair wage.
 
I wonder if they avoid guys with your experience because they think you are not willing to put up with the Great Lakes lifestyle and pay? Maybe they don't want to train you and then have you leave because you cant stand it?

Add these words to your resume: " I'm as hungry for hours and your low pay as a CFI " and see if they respond! That is NOT an insult to you in any way!!!
I honestly wonder if that is how they think about expereinced guys who have worked at good airlines for a more fair wage.

That's not a bad theory. I wouldn't really want to come across as desperate, even though I am!l lol

I never did get my CFI, I ran out of money, and got lucky enough to get a pipeline job, and did that for the next 1500 hours. But maybe you're right, maybe they are looking for someone like a low paid CFI, who may not know that $16/hr is bad. However, all the CFI's I know, aren't so stupid that they don't know $16/hr is bad.
 
That's not a bad theory. I wouldn't really want to come across as desperate, even though I am!l lol

I never did get my CFI, I ran out of money, and got lucky enough to get a pipeline job, and did that for the next 1500 hours. But maybe you're right, maybe they are looking for someone like a low paid CFI, who may not know that $16/hr is bad. However, all the CFI's I know, aren't so stupid that they don't know $16/hr is bad.
Agree 100% :yeahthat:
 
Had a friend from flight school get through training and on his IOE didn't pass because he said that the examiner didn't like the way he was writing down clearences. Said that he should have had them memorized, and also didn't like some of his radio calls. I don't know if thats why he actually didn't finish or not, but if it was it seems pretty dumb to me.:drool:


Washed on the IOE test? That's like the kiss of death isn't it? Well, I know there's quite a few that have washed during training but with this market I'm sure it makes it that much harder to get the gig.

I've got a buddy on the 120 over there. What everyone has said is pretty accurate. Commutes, makes horrible pay and training was non-paid and quite difficult. Think something like 12 of 28 made it through. The upside, and quite frankly it's the only upside I see, is that they already said that upgrade is a possibility. His goal is to get as much of that turbine 121 pic as he can before the market turns around again. He's already made the sacrifice - I think he's found himself in a good position.....all things considered. But making 800 a month? Damn, don't know how he does it. None of our non-pilot friends can fathom the rational behind the pay. They've since learned to avoid such comments as their then bombarded with a lenghty speach on deregulation and airline economics. :panic:
 
I wonder if they avoid guys with your experience because they think you are not willing to put up with the Great Lakes lifestyle and pay? Maybe they don't want to train you and then have you leave because you cant stand it?

Add these words to your resume: " I'm as hungry for hours and your low pay as a CFI " and see if they respond! That is NOT an insult to you in any way!!!
I honestly wonder if that is how they think about expereinced guys who have worked at good airlines for a more fair wage.

Yep I betcha that's what it is too. I worked for a 135 on-demand gig that hired SA227 captains with 135 mins just for that fact. They pushed us around because they knew they could. Hell I couldn't complain though. Getting typed TPIC at 1200 hours, what was I gonna say?

=Jason-
 
Yep I betcha that's what it is too. I worked for a 135 on-demand gig that hired SA227 captains with 135 mins just for that fact. They pushed us around because they knew they could. Hell I couldn't complain though. Getting typed TPIC at 1200 hours, what was I gonna say?

=Jason-

Not to hijack the thread but... Where are you at in India Jason. I put in an app with MDLR airlines over there but haven't heard anything back.
 
Not to hijack the thread but... Where are you at in India Jason. I put in an app with MDLR airlines over there but haven't heard anything back.

I get bounched around every so often but currently in Chennai. My company currently has bases in Mumbai, Chennai, and hq in New Delhi. MDLR? What's it stand for, havn't heard of them.

=Jason-
 
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