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By KEVIN J. DELANEY, J. LYNN LUNSFORD and MARK MAREMONT
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

November 4, 2005; Page A1

On the road, Sergey Brin and Larry Page have owned environmentally friendly hybrid vehicles such as the Toyota Prius. In the air, they apparently prefer something roomier.

Google Inc.'s two billionaire founders, both 32 years old, will soon be cruising the skies in a Boeing 767 wide-body airliner. They bought the used plane earlier this year, Mr. Page says.
[Sergey Brin]

The 767-200, typically an airline workhorse, is an unusual executive jet. It commonly carries about 180 passengers. Delta Air Lines operates over one hundred 767s. The Italian Air Force has ordered a modified 767 as an airborne tanker for refueling military jets. The 767-200 is almost 70% longer and more than three times as heavy as a conventional executive jet, such as a high-end Gulfstream.

Mr. Page says his plane will hold about 50 passengers when its refurbishment is complete. A top Gulfstream business jet typically carries 15 or fewer. He declines to give other details. People in the aviation industry familiar with the planned interior say it will have a sitting area, two staterooms with adjoining lavatories and a shower. Farther aft will be a large sitting-and-dining area. At the rear will be 12 to 16 first-class seats for guests or employees and a large galley.

Tech moguls delight in public one-upmanship and the Google founders' 767 raises the bar. Microsoft Corp. co-founder Paul Allen owns a fleet of aircraft, but his flagships -- two Boeing 757s -- are smaller than Messrs. Brin and Page's 767. It also marks a new level of consumption by the Google executives, who have shunned most trappings of the super-rich despite a combined net worth estimated at more than $20 billion.
[Federal Aviation Administration records suggest that this plane, formerly owned by Qantas Airways, is the one recently purchased by Google founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page.]
Federal Aviation Administration records suggest that this plane, formerly owned by Qantas Airways, is the one recently purchased by Google founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page.



Mr. Page acknowledges that the purchase might seem ostentatious. But "we tend to have an engineering approach, to be fact-based," he says. "We looked at this and we just did the economics and we said, 'you know, it makes a lot of sense.' "

Aviation-industry experts estimate that the airplane, because of its age and history, cost under $15 million, and maybe less. That's roughly one-third the price of a new Gulfstream 550 business jet. In addition, the 767 can carry more passengers and can include sleeping accommodations. The Google co-founders wanted to fit more than 50 people but were limited by federal aviation rules, Mr. Page says. Filled to capacity, it's potentially cheaper to run, per person than a Gulfstream.

Mr. Page says he and Mr. Brin bought the plane themselves and will use it for personal travel. He says there's no plan for Google to reimburse the duo for its costs. A Google spokesman says the plane has no formal connection with the company.

As for what they plan to do with it, Mr. Page wouldn't be specific. He says "part of the equation for this sort of machinery is to be able to take large numbers of people to places such as Africa. I think that can only be good for the world." Messrs. Brin and Page played a key role in setting up Google.org1, a program for corporate philanthropy and socially minded investments that is funding projects in Africa and elsewhere.

Evidence suggests that the 767 in question flew for over a decade in Qantas Airways' fleet with the airline's red-and-white kangaroo logo on its tail. Boeing delivered it to Qantas in 1987. The Australian airline took it out of service and stored it in the desert outside Tucson, Ariz., in 2004.

Federal Aviation Administration records show that the Qantas 767 was bought in March by a limited-liability company registered in Delaware. The contact number for that company listed in FAA records is an extension at Google's Mountain View, Calif., headquarters. On a recent day, calls to that number were answered by a voicemail system announcing that "Eric Schmidt is not available. To leave a message, wait for the tone." Mr. Schmidt, Google's chief executive, didn't return a message left on the machine. He and Mr. Brin, through a spokesman, declined to comment for this article.
[Larry Page]

According to FAA records, the jet also shares an address, phone number and contact name with another Delaware company. That company owns a Gulfstream V jet that appears to be one Mr. Schmidt bought earlier this year. The shared address is a mailbox in a UPS Store not far from Google headquarters.

Mr. Page wouldn't say whether or not the Qantas plane was the one they bought. The 767 purchase was first brought to public attention by a blog written by Silicon Valley venture capitalist Jeffrey Nolan.

The Google co-founders' 767 is now in San Antonio, people familiar with the matter say, having its interior re-done by Gore Design Completions Ltd., a firm that specializes in outfitting executive jets. Previous clients include the Chinese government and the Detroit Pistons basketball team. Gore, in a May 12 press release, announced a contract to outfit a 767-200 with "a 100% VIP interior" for an unnamed U.S. customer.

Rick Penshorn, Gore's vice president of operations, says confidentiality agreements prohibit him from identifying who owns the plane. When it's finished in several months, he says, it will be transformed from a glorified bus into a "good, functional, well-appointed corporate aircraft, but not anything over the top."

Mr. Penshorn says "really opulent" jet makeovers can cost as much as $45 million. A 767 can be comfortably outfitted for about $25 million, he says. One amenity the Google co-founders have asked for, say people familiar with the matter: in-flight Internet access.

Buying a used 767 instead of a high-end business jet is "very, very smart," says Wendy Bierwirth, president of Wentworth & Affiliates Inc., a used-aircraft broker in Potomac, Md. "It's a lot more aircraft for the money."

She estimates that 13 or 14 767s were in use for VIP travel as recently as 2004 but believes several additional 767s have been outfitted this year. Other 767 owners include Sheldon Adelson, CEO of Las Vegas Sands Corp., a casino company. Although the 767 costs more per hour to fly, Ms. Bierwirth says, it can be cost-effective if used to shuttle large numbers of people.

Flying a used 767 with a functional but not lavish VIP interior would cost an average of about $13,000 per flight-hour, compared with $7,850 for a Gulfstream V, according to Conklin & deDecker Aviation Information, an Orleans, Mass., research and consulting firm. That includes both variable costs such as fuel and fixed items such as crew salaries, maintenance and depreciation.

If the planes were filled to capacity on a round-trip coast-to-coast flight, however, the 767 looks more attractive. Based on the Conklin & deDecker data, a Gulfstream V would cost roughly $400 per flight hour per passenger to operate, compared with $260 for the duo's plane.

The purchase of a wide-body jet for personal use might seem at odds with the Google founders' support for environmental causes. The company gives employees $5,000 if they buy hybrid gas-electric cars, for example.

Mr. Page, in response, notes a recent investment that Mr. Brin made on behalf of the co-founders and Mr. Schmidt in a $550-million fund to help finance projects that reduce greenhouse-gas emissions. "We've worked very hard to make sure our [net] impact on the environment is positive," Mr. Page says.

Write to Kevin J. Delaney at kevin.delaney@wsj.com2, J. Lynn Lunsford at lynn.lunsford@wsj.com3 and Mark Maremont at mark.maremont@wsj.com4
 
Brazilian_Pilot said:
I imagine some furloughed 767 crew has just gotten very lucky!
LOL I have to laugh. Here is an example of two guys starting a business, making it big and buying a monster corporate jet, and all pilots can think of is "who's getting to fly the plane?"
 
Mr_Creepy said:
LOL I have to laugh. Here is an example of two guys starting a business, making it big and buying a monster corporate jet, and all pilots can think of is "who's getting to fly the plane?"


That's because we're on a Jet Careers message board.
 
Sorry, a GV can hold 19 max. That is cool though. I have heard of charter 75s, 73s BBJ, And Various MDs as Charter aircraft, but not a 76. Thats awsome.
 
Mr_Creepy said:
My career with jets involves endeavouring to own one, not being paid to fly someone else's.

So...if you're a professional pilot or a future professional pilot, it's not a worthy endeavor to set your sights on a high-paying corporate pilot position flying a widebody jet for multi-billionaires?
 
Mr_Creepy said:
My career with jets involves endeavouring to own one, not being paid to fly someone else's.

Yeah, because you're doing better than all the employees of companies who ride those corporate jets, eh?

I personally don't think Jeff Immelt gives a rat's ass that he doesn't OWN the GE corporate jet. :whatever:
 
tonyw said:
Yeah, because you're doing better than all the employees of companies who ride those corporate jets, eh?

I personally don't think Jeff Immelt gives a rat's ass that he doesn't OWN the GE corporate jet. :whatever:
I would argue that I am. In the past 30 days I have fished in my lake 24 of them, played golf 3 times, spent MANY hours quality time with my wife and daughter in my home office, maxed out both of our Roth IRAs, bought two municipal tax free bonds, signed up a few new customers, embarked on a project of starting a new city, and best of all, bought my friend TXPilot lunch today at my favorite italian restaurant - Gargi's lakeside - here in Orlando.

I have to say life is good, all the accounts are good, and most important, I am close to meeting my definition of financial freedom:

"You are free when you have the time and money to do what you want to do, when you want to do it."

I don't have the corporate jet yet, but ask me again in a year :D
 
Let me add that if it sounds like I am bragging, well I guess I am a little. But I am offering, free of charge to jetcareers.com members, advice on how to achieve your goals, as long as you agree with my definition of freedom.

All you have to do is ask.

Really - I want to share my success with all of you. In many ways, you have all helped me along the way.
 
Mr_Creepy said:
...and best of all, bought my friend TXPilot lunch today at my favorite italian restaurant - Gargi's lakeside - here in Orlando.
Dang it!

I almost called you, too. We got into Orlando last night, and left earlier today. Probably a good thing I didn't call you though, since the pax decided to leave a couple hours earlier than originally planned. We ended up taking off about 1:30, so lunch wasn't in the cards today anyway. Next time I'm there and have a few extra hours, though, you're getting a call!
 
Mr_Creepy said:
Let me add that if it sounds like I am bragging, well I guess I am a little. But I am offering, free of charge to jetcareers.com members, advice on how to achieve your goals, as long as you agree with my definition of freedom.

Mr_Creepy,

What's your definition of freedom?
Mr_Creepy said:
Really - I want to share my success with all of you. In many ways, you have all helped me along the way.

Glad we could be of help (even though I'm confident I had nothing to do with it ;) )
 
Mr_Creepy said:
My career with jets involves endeavouring to own one, not being paid to fly someone else's.

Well that's great John, best of luck with that. Sorry we don't all share your passion to work our asses off trying to chase the almighty dollar, we might find satisfaction in life from other things. You make it seem like having a regular job and working for a living is a terrible thing, and anyone who chooses this life is an idiot.

Mr_Creepy said:
Let me add that if it sounds like I am bragging, well I guess I am a little. But I am offering, free of charge to jetcareers.com members, advice on how to achieve your goals, as long as you agree with my definition of freedom.

All you have to do is ask.

Really - I want to share my success with all of you. In many ways, you have all helped me along the way.

Nah, I had someone try to sell the Quixtar/Amway thing on me once, I won't do it again. But good luck.
 
Matt there is so much wrong with that post LOL!

1) I don't work my ass off
2) I don't stay in a situation where I'm working for someone else any longer than I have to. I'm not a good employee anyway.
3) Not making fun of people but yes, having a "regular job" and "working for a living" to support some other guy's dreams, yes, that is not the smartest way to go to the back of the jet, nor the easiest.
4) I do not believe in MLMs, Quixtar included. They may have some good points and teach good sales techniques but I recommend against them for the following reasons:
a) No niche. You are competing directly with all other distributors and there is really no way to work together
b) Vertical relationships. Everyone is either "above" you or "below" you. In fact, you are taught to practically "worship" your upline, so that your downline will "worship" you.
c) Products are great, albeit overpriced, and there is no particular reason why anyone should by from you and not someone else.
d) Creativity is discouraged! "Stick to the system" Bah!

Don't know where you got the idea that I made any serious money on Quixtar. Yes I am an IBO, but I stay signed up just so I can tell the people "I'm already in - leave me alone!"


By "sharing my success" - I mean I will offer advice, suggestions, experienced base, etc.

I also will buy lunch for the occasional starving pilot that comes by O-town. Listen, I had the "dream" (really a disease), I was an airline pilot for 7 years. I know what it feels like. I needed almost 2 years of "de-tox" after 9-11 to figure out what I really wanted.
 
That's great John. We are all happy for you. But for you to come on here and basically make us feel dumb for wanting to pursue a working career, like a pilot, is unwarranted. We all have different goals in life. I don't care if I work for someone else, as long as they are competent and trustworthy. At most airlines and corporations right now you just don't find that is the case.

I'm not going to sit here and debate this with you. It just ticks me off when people try to shove their own idea of what "success" is down others throats. I think success is a large family, having a career you enjoy and work hard at, a wide group of friends, and the time to enjoy the things that make you happy. To others it is money. I'll never have much money. Never have. So I find my happiness in things that don't involve big bucks (so I just ask myself why I play hockey ;)).
 
wanting to pursue a working career, like a pilot, is unwarranted. We all have different goals in life. I don't care if I work for someone else, as long as they are competent and trustworthy.

that is all i care about. i have said since i turned 16, as long as i get paid to fly a plane for a living, i will be happy
 
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