Goodbye Career (long)

ESF---Sorry to hear man... best of luck to you as well. I can't offer much help to you, but I can say that about a month ago I was into CAK and stopped at an FBO called Castle Aviation. They are a cargo operation, and were looking to hire for a Sabb-340. You might want to at least look them up on the net... in the meantime I will look for the Chief Pilot's contact info to see if I can help you out. Take care man.

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Dude, Such a blessing in disguise. There is a reason AA is the skynazi's and AE hitlers youth. Now you can move on to somewhere else and not get stuck in the quick sand. Be honest in your next interview and your good to go. Lots are hiring now too. Xjet, Pinnacle, CHQ, Corporate, TSA, PDT, etc etc so get out there.
 
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and if so, what did the chief training pilot tell you (if it's ok to ask that?)?


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Yep, turned in all my manuals yesteday. Actually, the ATR program manager (who was the one I had to deal with in DFW) was pretty cool about it. He said whenever I get another job interview somewhere else, to call him and he'd "see what he can do" for me. He even gave me his home and cell numbers.

Thanks for the encouragement everyone, it helps, believe me. Right now I plan on going back to my old gig until I can find something better and to keep from having a gap in employment. Of course, I'll keep you all updated.
 
ESF, believe me, you're going to look back at this month sometime down the road and laugh your head off. If you need a letter of recc, lemme know. Worked for Alchemy!
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Hey man people have had much worse blemishes on their record such as DUI, Felonies, Accidents/Incidents, etc. Its all about how you talk about it in the interview. If you can truly show what you have learned and how you have grown then you will land back on your feet. I think this is a good eye opener to the dangers of commuting during your first year. I have commuted since I started flying for Mesa in Feb 04 and have had pretty good luck for the most part. Lately however I have been cutting things really close. I currently commute from SLC to the east coast. There is a direct flight on Delta that leaves around 4:30pm. The last month or so it has had about 30-60 open seats on it so I have just been relying on that one flight to get me to work the night before each week. I dont even have a backup flight at all. We have a commuter policy that can be used once a year however I have to use one of our codeshare partners to use it. All it takes is the jumpseat being reserved, typical east coast delays or maintenance and im totally screwed. I think reading this threat has reminded me of the importance of always having a backup plan and the caution which must be used when commuting. I also think everyone here can learn a good lesson of the dangers of offline commuting. All it takes is one jumpseater to bump you off. A lot of airlines charge their employees to non rev and so they prefer to use the jumpseat. I still think commuting is much better than moving somewhere where I dont want to live and also getting displced since it happens a lot at a regional. Its just best to be extra cautious the first year. Good luck to ESF im sure you will land yourself at a regional soon enough.
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ESF
Wern't you get assinged the ATR?
If so Mountain Air in NC are starting to use them here is there link!
http://www.mtaircargo.com
Keep you head up I was just reading a gouge about AE poor kid made it all through the interview than was told at the very end that AE just quit hiring
 
Oh, trust me...I already applied at MAC, and every other ATR operator out there (except Cape Air, cause I have no interest in living in Guam).
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And thanks, Doug...I might take you up on that!
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We have never talked man but I have seen you progress on these on these forums over the last couple of years. You have really made some good moves in a short time. This will be no different, except that you're going to be that much tougher next time shlt gets tossed your way. Good luck man and if I ever meet you I'll buy ya a cold one.
 
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November 10, 2004

RE: AA FURLOUGHS

The recent announcement of additional AA pilot furloughs next year has generated several questions concerning the impact on Eagle pilots. Following are the facts as we know them:

At the present time, AA pilots that were furloughed during the summer of 2003 and October 2004 are being processed in accordance with Letter 3 for CJ captain positions. We anticipate that there will be approximately 210 AA furloughed pilots occupying Eagle jet captain positions from these two rounds of furloughs. The 210 pilots represent a 25 percent historical acceptance rate for Eagle flow-back positions, which means the actual number of flowbacks could be slightly higher or lower depending on the actual acceptance rate.

AA has announced additional pilot furloughs in 2005; -- 125 in January and up to an additional 325 by summer. Again, based on an expected 25 percentage acceptance rate for flow back positions, we anticipate approximately 112 more flow back pilots from AA. After the training is completed on the 112 pilots, we will have approximately 477 furloughed AA pilots occupying CJ captain positions at Eagle.

A frequently asked question is, "What is the maximum number of positions available for flow-back consideration?" The number of jet captain positions available for AA flow back pilots is equal to the total number of Eagle jet captains that have claimed flow-through status under the provisions of Letter 3.

The talk of additional pilot furloughs at AA is not good news for either the affected AA pilots who are losing their current positions, or for Eagle pilots who are affected by jet captain displacements or diminished captain upgrade opportunities. In fact the entire airline industry is short on good news. I continue to believe we’ll get through these difficult times because AA and AE management and labor are committed to taking the necessary steps to return AMR to profitability. In the mean time, please remain focused on the primary objective of providing the safest operation possible in a professional manner.

Regards,

Ed Criner
VP Flight Ops

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This looks to be the offender...

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November 10, 2004

RE: AA FURLOUGHS

The recent announcement of additional AA pilot furloughs next year has generated several questions concerning the impact on Eagle pilots. Following are the facts as we know them:

At the present time, AA pilots that were furloughed during the summer of 2003 and October 2004 are being processed in accordance with Letter 3 for CJ captain positions. We anticipate that there will be approximately 210 AA furloughed pilots occupying Eagle jet captain positions from these two rounds of furloughs. The 210 pilots represent a 25 percent historical acceptance rate for Eagle flow-back positions, which means the actual number of flowbacks could be slightly higher or lower depending on the actual acceptance rate.

AA has announced additional pilot furloughs in 2005; -- 125 in January and up to an additional 325 by summer. Again, based on an expected 25 percentage acceptance rate for flow back positions, we anticipate approximately 112 more flow back pilots from AA. After the training is completed on the 112 pilots, we will have approximately 477 furloughed AA pilots occupying CJ captain positions at Eagle.

A frequently asked question is, "What is the maximum number of positions available for flow-back consideration?" The number of jet captain positions available for AA flow back pilots is equal to the total number of Eagle jet captains that have claimed flow-through status under the provisions of Letter 3.



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I'm assuming the answer to my question is in "Letter 3", but what determines whether you get to "flow-back" to Eagle or you get to wait at home looking for different employment? Seniority? Anyone know if this is how it works with other companies?
 
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Dude, Such a blessing in disguise. There is a reason AA is the skynazi's and AE hitlers youth. Now you can move on to somewhere else and not get stuck in the quick sand. Be honest in your next interview and your good to go. Lots are hiring now too. Xjet, Pinnacle, CHQ, Corporate, TSA, PDT, etc etc so get out there.

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Hey. Take it easy there.

I spent 7 long years employed by both sides of AMR, and while there were certainly people who fit the skynazil/hitler youth profile, I flew and worked with a lot of really great people while I was there.
 
In every crappy situation there is a learning experience. It really does sound like they were simply looking for any reason to get rid of jobs. S**t happens. Hopefully you can get back into your old job or somebody here can help hook you up with something different. Till then
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Hey Marshall-

I'm terribly sorry to hear about this dude. It was piss poor how the base manager treated you and what happened in the situation. We've quite hte large number of guys over here from Eagle, actually. You might be surprised- this little situation may be a blessing in disguise in the long run.

How many hours do you have? I know you're a sharp guy and responsible..you've worked your butt off. I'd be very happy to walk your resume into Pinnacle if you feel so inclined. We're still hiring like mad and have alot better stability than many of the other carriers. My number is 850-322-3220. I've still got yours in my cell phone, though I'm not sure if it's the right one.

Let me say one more thing.. commuting sucks!! (but of course I still do it)
 
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Hey. Take it easy there.

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It's his opinion, and it happens to be shared by MANY others. Not necessarily mine as I've never worked for AMR.
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Hey. Take it easy there.

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It's his opinion, and it happens to be shared by MANY others. Not necessarily mine as I've never worked for AMR.
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Yup. Just pointing out that despite the horrible treatment ESF received at the hands of my former employer, not EVERYONE there is deserving of the titles of nazis & hitler youth. I'm speaking out of 7 years of personal first-hand experience. Just speaking up for those of us who were loyal, kind, and decent people who worked there.

Sadly, however, there are also ones who do fit the profile. They suck.
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Of course I dont mean it toward all there, its just a common name given to them by people at many different airlines and passengers alike. I think they are one of the worst gate agents to get thru. I have also met those who came from "3rd Reich" though!
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