good idea to fly with 777 captain?

17 Thousand and you get to wear the epaullette (sp) of a new flight attendant.....I'm a little suprised though...You'd think if you go through FS and their "not a traditional RJ course which is really and RJ course", they would have you wearing 5, no, 6 bars because you are a super duper aviator...ya see, we don't call em pile-its over hear at regional jet academy world...no...they are better than pile-it's...THEY ARE AVIATORS!!!!!!!!! REGIONAL JET AVIATORS!!!!!!!!


SPAAAAAAAAAAAAARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

***For some reason this picture just feels very fitting....
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Flybob37 said:
Hey
When it comes to airplanes and the business I'm a newbie. Almost 200 hours in a Cherokee, working on getting my IFR ticket (just studying on my own like crazy...trying to do it as cheaply as possible). After that maybe I'll see what else there is to do in aviation. But, I'm old. 47 years old. I started flying because I've always wanted to. And I love it. I have a career I've been in since 1982. I make decent money compared to most. But it would be hard to start out making $23,000 a year for awhile. But, I digress. My best friend is a Captain at Southwest and he makes $300,000 a year. That's some serious change. Nice lifestyle. People have always looked up to airline pilots. I bet this kid does too. The fact that the underbelly of the BUSINESS has changed dramatically and standards have eroded tremendously is NOT common knowledge to the non-aviation world. And he doesn't understand that either. He thinks it's a good idea if he can get hired by an airline after 250TT hours. "Buying" your way into an airline job is becoming more common and will only continue to grow as it gets harder and harder to fill positions. A kid like the one who posted on here is in an awkward "tweener" situation. He sees the 777 captain and his lifestyle, yet wants to be there after 9 months of training. AND he's told that it can happen...by the people cashing the checks. This kid is simply looking for the easiest (and he thinks quickest) way to make that happen. If the industry continues this way, he will never get to the lifestyle he thinks he's going to get. More importantly, he doesn't get it when the grizzled vets talk about the love of flying pipelines, or flying low over a river, etc. That's because he doesn't love flying. He loves the idea of being an airline pilot. And damn all who try to stop him from getting there by simply writing some checks. Sorry guys, you will continue to be frustrated by people like him. Meanwhile, I'm going to get back to reading my new Rod Machado IFR book.....
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Bob,

That was an excellent, well written post. While you might be new to aviation, I suspect your life experience will be very valuable to this board. I see you only have 7 posts...I look forward to seeing more contributions from you like this.
 
Flybob37 said:
Hey
When it comes to airplanes and the business I'm a newbie. Almost 200 hours in a Cherokee, working on getting my IFR ticket (just studying on my own like crazy...trying to do it as cheaply as possible). After that maybe I'll see what else there is to do in aviation. But, I'm old. 47 years old. I started flying because I've always wanted to. And I love it. I have a career I've been in since 1982. I make decent money compared to most. But it would be hard to start out making $23,000 a year for awhile. But, I digress. My best friend is a Captain at Southwest and he makes $300,000 a year. That's some serious change. Nice lifestyle. People have always looked up to airline pilots. I bet this kid does too. The fact that the underbelly of the BUSINESS has changed dramatically and standards have eroded tremendously is NOT common knowledge to the non-aviation world. And he doesn't understand that either. He thinks it's a good idea if he can get hired by an airline after 250TT hours. "Buying" your way into an airline job is becoming more common and will only continue to grow as it gets harder and harder to fill positions. A kid like the one who posted on here is in an awkward "tweener" situation. He sees the 777 captain and his lifestyle, yet wants to be there after 9 months of training. AND he's told that it can happen...by the people cashing the checks. This kid is simply looking for the easiest (and he thinks quickest) way to make that happen. If the industry continues this way, he will never get to the lifestyle he thinks he's going to get. More importantly, he doesn't get it when the grizzled vets talk about the love of flying pipelines, or flying low over a river, etc. That's because he doesn't love flying. He loves the idea of being an airline pilot. And damn all who try to stop him from getting there by simply writing some checks. Sorry guys, you will continue to be frustrated by people like him. Meanwhile, I'm going to get back to reading my new Rod Machado IFR book.....
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Excellent post.
 
intern_mike said:
You can go ahead and close this thread now Doug.
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I hope they don't close this thread. If one person, even a lurker, reads what others have wrote on here and aren't closed minded such as yourself, maybe we could save someone a butt load of cash and make them a better pilot. You see this website isn't about seeking acceptence, it's about helping others advance in their careers and improve the profession. Ask a question and be open to both ideas. Don't come on here and cut and paste advertisements to those who have been there and done that and are exactly what you hope to be one day.You want the quick and easy way so you can stand in front of that plane with another strip on your shoulder. If the conversation is too spirited for you well alot of people on here have a passion for improving the profession and helping people to do the same.
 
For a minute, I was a bit concerned that Intern Mike was taking some personal hits from everyone and we were getting away from constructive advice.

After further thought, I find it insulting that an individual (anyone...not just IM) has the opportunity to circumvent years of skills maturation and replace it with a simulator course. I think it is a positive for our profession to make this type of hiring practice "professionally" unacceptable by our flying peers.

I have no doubt that there are pilots 3 or 4 standard deviations out in front of the pack in terms of skills and aptitude that can pull this off exceptionally well. For the general pilot population, I don't believe this to be the case.

I always did well at each stage of my maturation as a pilot. Never struggled really during each of my baby steps along the way. I was always well prepared for each of my advancement steps along the way.

I make that statement to justify that I'm probably at least an average "stick".

Having justified that....I had a chance to fly right seat in a King Air for about 15 hours at about 500 hours total time. I distinctly remember having very little confidence in my ability to command that airplane...and feel in complete control of what I was doing.

Correlating that experience...to that of similar experience/skill levels in a jet...in an airline environment...is crazy.

I think we should be very concerned, as a profession, about skill maturation and progression being circumvented.

What do y'all think? Is my concern unfounded? Or legitimate?
 
B767Driver said:
For a minute, I was a bit concerned that Intern Mike was taking some personal hits from everyone and we were getting away from constructive advice.

After further thought, I find it insulting that an individual (anyone...not just IM) has the opportunity to circumvent years of skills maturation and replace it with a simulator course. I think it is a positive for our profession to make this type of hiring practice "professionally" unacceptable by our flying peers.

I have no doubt that there are pilots 3 or 4 standard deviations out in front of the pack in terms of skills and aptitude that can pull this off exceptionally well. For the general pilot population, I don't believe this to be the case.

I always did well at each stage of my maturation as a pilot. Never struggled really during each of my baby steps along the way. I was always well prepared for each of my advancement steps along the way.

I make that statement to justify that I'm probably at least an average "stick".

Having justified that....I had a chance to fly right seat in a King Air for about 15 hours at about 500 hours total time. I distinctly remember having very little confidence in my ability to command that airplane...and feel in complete control of what I was doing.

Correlating that experience...to that of similar experience/skill levels in a jet...in an airline environment...is crazy.

I think we should be very concerned, as a profession, about skill maturation and progression being circumvented.

What do y'all think? Is my concern unfounded? Or legitimate?
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I, for one, completely agree.

Great way of putting it, too.

It'd be like a doctor practicing surgery on dummies for a few months instead of working in real hospitals and gradually doing more hands on work year after year.

As you have written before, the entrance requirements to a job of such seriously high responsibility are shockingly low. If the FAA does not find wrong in that then so be it. There is nothing stopping pilots to put pressure on soon-to-be pilots on how not to go about getting to where they would like to end up. They need to be educated on it, and if they have an open mind then there are clearly a lot of people who would not be wasting their time by mentoring them.
 
Guys-

If he wants to do it, he's going to do it..

It's obvious his mind is setup...

Best of luck to you, Mike.....
 
i just don't get why people want to go fly a jet, take on that amount of responsibility at
1. such low TT
2. for such low pay

I am not in aviation for the pay, but 17K-19K/yr is not worth it to me to fly around 50-70 people, even if i am not PIC. i just don't get it. people need to learn that what happens in the airline industry directly affects all other aspects of aviation and if something doesn't change the whole industry is heading down the crapper :(
 
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