good idea to fly with 777 captain?

BuickCFI said:
i just don't get why people want to go fly a jet, take on that amount of responsibility at
1. such low TT
2. for such low pay

I am not in aviation for the pay, but 17K-19K/yr is not worth it to me to fly around 50-70 people, even if i am not PIC. i just don't get it. people need to learn that what happens in the airline industry directly affects all other aspects of aviation and if something doesn't change the whole industry is heading down the crapper :(
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Some people love the job, and didn't get into it for the money.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Some people love the job, and didn't get into it for the money.
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i love the job 110% but i want to be able to pay my bills, and just live comfortably. i am not asking for 7 cars, 4 homes, and 2 RV's. just enough to live comfortably and put some money away for retirement. my wife is a teacher........
 
"First of all, at 250 to 300 hours you have no business being in the front end of a Part 121 jet. (I know I'll get flak for that...but I strongly feel that way.)"

Oh Lordy...since when should a current Delta pilot, or a current UPS Capt, say such a thing and worry about getting flak at Jetcareers? I'll take flak all day over what I know to be right and could hardly care less. I mean, it's always the 300 hour wonders that that tell the Boeing drivers they have no clue. Some things never change....
 
As apparently heard from Lufthansa, "Delta... Are you still flying with your grandmothers?" :)
 
And secondly,

Intern Mike, there is nothing wrong with a 73 Cadet. That you think there is speaks volumes.

Lastly,

I keep hearing that ASA and AE are willing to PAY FOR the RJ course if you pass it, and pass the interview. This is the wave of the future? The regionals will be so hard up they will pay for an RJ course if the guy can pass it?

Not that a 300 hour wonder will be any more useful if the AIRLINE pays for it, but how can we beat a guy up when the airlines start paying for the 300 hour wonders RJ course?
 
The military takes highly screened guys with very little or no time and puts them in a high performance aircraft. They also give them an ejection seat and a very sterile environment to operate in with a significant amount of supervision (SOF, RSU, etc.) They explore the envelope of what an airplane can or can not do.

Some get killed. Those that live figure out where the boundaries are, they mature and their intentional and unintentional risk taking behavior is reduced.

The civilian world guys (used to) flight instruct, fly night freight in little piston planes, fly bush, pipeline patrol, etc. They explore the envelope of what an airplane can or can not do.

Some get killed. Those that live figure out where the boundaries are, they mature and their intentional and unintentional risk taking behavior is reduced.


In both cases EXPERIENCE is what was brought to the part 121 job. EXPERIENCE is what allowed that funny feeling that something was not right while there was still time to execute plan B. EXPERIENCE is now missing and guys are going to end up in situations beyond the point of no return. I would have loved the opportunity to skip EXPERIENCE when I was young. Now I know better. EXPERIENCE is a great teacher.
 
I'm still working on my private license, so don't know too much about this.
But I can say this for sure.
Get CFI ratings.
Before I entered aviation career, I used to tutor people on math, science, and foreign languague (I'm bilingual). I hated teaching people, period.
I thought it was the worst thing one can ever do with life and hated every second of it. But then, now I think back on my experience with tutoring, it actually helped me a lot. I understood concepts much better and was confident enough to solve problems. I tutored someone in my class with math before, and even though I was learning new materials I understood concepts much better which resulted in dramatic increase in my grade.
There is nothing better than teaching someone to become proficient at something. I can't wait to get my CFI ratings and start instructing. It is going to be awesome.

Just my 2cents :)
 
seaav8tor said:
The military takes highly screened guys with very little or no time and puts them in a high performance aircraft. They also give them an ejection seat and a very sterile environment to operate in with a significant amount of supervision (SOF, RSU, etc.) They explore the envelope of what an airplane can or can not do.

Some get killed. Those that live figure out where the boundaries are, they mature and their intentional and unintentional risk taking behavior is reduced.

The civilian world guys (used to) flight instruct, fly night freight in little piston planes, fly bush, pipeline patrol, etc. They explore the envelope of what an airplane can or can not do.

Some get killed. Those that live figure out where the boundaries are, they mature and their intentional and unintentional risk taking behavior is reduced.


In both cases EXPERIENCE is what was brought to the part 121 job. EXPERIENCE is what allowed that funny feeling that something was not right while there was still time to execute plan B. EXPERIENCE is now missing and guys are going to end up in situations beyond the point of no return. I would have loved the opportunity to skip EXPERIENCE when I was young. Now I know better. EXPERIENCE is a great teacher.
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This is an awesome post.

I remember when I was 13 and I told the school bus driver that I should be able to drive. She laughed and said no, I needed more EXPERIENCE and MATURITY. I know now that 16 is pretty young to be driving.
 
There have been quite a few great perspectives in this thread, especially from the Southernjet pilots, but I fear what we have here is a classic case of bringing a horse to water, but simply not being able to make him drink it.

The other thing I would like to know from Intern_Mike is where he calculated his figure that 1st year FO's make 29K a year, That figure is grossly exaggerated. (Especially since you only get 75 hour guarantee through training, which is about 3-4 months. Then on reserve, you probably wont fly over guarantee, so at least half the year will be barely above the poverty level)
 
DE727UPS said:
Lastly,

I keep hearing that ASA and AE are willing to PAY FOR the RJ course if you pass it, and pass the interview. This is the wave of the future? The regionals will be so hard up they will pay for an RJ course if the guy can pass it?
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Sadly, yes.
 
rausda27 said:
The other thing I would like to know from Intern_Mike is where he calculated his figure that 1st year FO's make 29K a year, That figure is grossly exaggerated.
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I almost asked that too...

Maybe he meant $29K +/- $10K.. :D
 
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