GoJet Interview Questions
- Thread starter pilotman245
- Start date
- Status
Cazadores
Well-Known Member
Cazadores
Well-Known Member
When I look at any regional payscale I get pretty discouraged, and disgusted. Really.
But it is a good thing you don't have any organization like ALPA on property, they get in the way of management's benevolence-besides, if you dont like it you can just quit.
Velocipede
New Member
Once again, you are completely wrong. SWA currently has the HIGHEST narrowbody pay rate in the industry for passenger airlines.
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
Velocipede
New Member
Narrowbody airliner refers to 737/A320 series jets. You could logically make the argument that the Ejets fit this catagory as well.
ERJs and CRJs don't. I view Regional pay as a horse of a different color. So those guys are welcome aboard. Now, a Horizon Captain might view the issue differently..
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
And how were they prior to 9/11/01? I believe they were one of the lowest, which means management brought the rest of the industry down to their level, then found a lower rate and went for that (Jetblue).
Also, the downward pressure they've put on ticket prices over the decades have not helped.
This is all from what I remember being said (wasn't watching the industry too closely then), and my opinion. YMMV.
Velocipede
New Member
This discussion is about now, not 7 years ago. Today, they have the best pay and work rules in the passenger industy.
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
These pay rates started their downward spiral 7 years ago...how is that not relevant? I understand you have your list...others have a different one. Myself, personally, I have quite a few people I know at SWA, and am not considering them since they still do PFJ (737 type), and some other things that I have not liked about their role in the industry. YMMV.
I do not hate them and never denied any of them my jumpseat while flying cargo. They have a decent pilot group, from what I've seen.
I just don't get how you can breathe venom for the newer companies when SWA has been putting the downward pressure on the industry for decades, and RJ's have been putting 737's and DC-9's out of work for years...
Velocipede
New Member
Again, SWA currently has the highest narrowbody pay rate of the passenger airlines. Wage pressure is only relevent TODAY. What effect does each pay rate have on your contract TODAY?
TODAY, get it? TODAY. As in your CURRENT contract negotiations. Granted, past is prologue, but you evaluate the effects of the industry landscape on your current contract, not what happened a decade ago.
Airline pay and benefits are fluid. Your earning power is based on your current contract. And where you want to go is based on where everybody else is NOW.
TODAY, get it? TODAY. As in your CURRENT contract negotiations. Granted, past is prologue, but you evaluate the effects of the industry landscape on your current contract, not what happened a decade ago.
Airline pay and benefits are fluid. Your earning power is based on your current contract. And where you want to go is based on where everybody else is NOW.
Nick
Well-Known Member
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with DE727UPS about SWA's effect on "the bar." However, what you are saying does not make sense.
The proverbial bar didn't get lowered this morning, it got lowered over time. And if you look at today's pay rates it is not what it was before the bar got lowered. When NWA/DAL/UAL/AAL captains were making $200-$300 an hour in the late 90s and early 00s, SWA pilots were not. What effect does that have when NWA/DAL/UAL/AAL wants their labor to take a paycut? So then those legacies drop below SWA's pay and you are saying that since they have higher pay TODAY, the past does not matter?
Nick
Well-Known Member
If my other post doesn't illustrate my point:
Pretend today is October 16, 2001.
What kind of wage pressure is there between legacies and LCCs on this fine October day in '01?
DE727UPS
Well-Known Member
"Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?"
Not when I think I'm right....ask the guys at the DCA or ATP threads....
Haven't you ever heard of the "Southwest effect"? That fares go down when Southwest moves into a city. Do you remember when Southwest moved into Seattle umpteen years ago? That drove down the average fares that United and Alaska could charge, eventually changing the landscape of the entire West Coast, really. United was once much more of a player in SEA. Delta flew up and down the west coast.
Whether SWA is union or not isn't the point. My point is SWA has done more to "reinvent the wheel" in our industry and thus has contributed far more than Jetblue to the downfall of the glory days of the airlines. Certainly, economic factors played a huge role, as well. The Walmartization of America started long ago. Southwest was the airline that played the Walmart role in our industry starting 20 plus years ago.
How can you not look at the "Southwest effect" and how it's effected the bottom line at Alaska? Having to compete with them is a big part of the cost cutting that led to the eventual gutting of your pay rates by the abitrator.
Are you saying you ignore the Southwest effect on the industry simply because their pilots are union?
Not when I think I'm right....ask the guys at the DCA or ATP threads....
Haven't you ever heard of the "Southwest effect"? That fares go down when Southwest moves into a city. Do you remember when Southwest moved into Seattle umpteen years ago? That drove down the average fares that United and Alaska could charge, eventually changing the landscape of the entire West Coast, really. United was once much more of a player in SEA. Delta flew up and down the west coast.
Whether SWA is union or not isn't the point. My point is SWA has done more to "reinvent the wheel" in our industry and thus has contributed far more than Jetblue to the downfall of the glory days of the airlines. Certainly, economic factors played a huge role, as well. The Walmartization of America started long ago. Southwest was the airline that played the Walmart role in our industry starting 20 plus years ago.
How can you not look at the "Southwest effect" and how it's effected the bottom line at Alaska? Having to compete with them is a big part of the cost cutting that led to the eventual gutting of your pay rates by the abitrator.
Are you saying you ignore the Southwest effect on the industry simply because their pilots are union?
...to you. But it looks like you are almost alone on that.
Thanks Seggy for that post. I can see now that it is pointless to explain the obvious to him.
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
If that is your logic, we'll just agree to disagree right now. That is horrible logic. By the way, rumor is running around that since Skybus is profitable already, they will be getting a pay raise to industry standard for the equipment. FWIW...
TheAlchemist
Well-Known Member
I was curious to know what company that is, and where exactly they are based. Thanks!
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
I'm with Don and others on this one. SWA did a lot to lower the bar for many years and suddenly after 9/11 they were the highest paid and darling of airline careers. Circumstances no one could have predicted have made them the highest paid right now for narrowbody rates. IMHO, SWA was the one of the original catalysts for the downturn of the legacies.
I used to refer to SWA as the "Wal-mart of Airlines" and still dislike the whole type rating requirement. All that said, I admire the efficiency and how they treat their employees and am officially no longer a SWA 'hater', just mild 'dis-liker'
So it seems SWA has somewhat redeemed themselves over the years and for the moment. Hopefully the 'Axis of Evil' will have their own chance for redemption in the coming years and help us all raise the bar once again.
I used to refer to SWA as the "Wal-mart of Airlines" and still dislike the whole type rating requirement. All that said, I admire the efficiency and how they treat their employees and am officially no longer a SWA 'hater', just mild 'dis-liker'
So it seems SWA has somewhat redeemed themselves over the years and for the moment. Hopefully the 'Axis of Evil' will have their own chance for redemption in the coming years and help us all raise the bar once again.
Velocipede
New Member
Once again, here are the facts. Please read the following carefully, concentrating on comprehension...
SWA is currently the HIGHEST PAYING narrowbody passenger airline in the USA.
That is how the bar gets raised. What happened in the past is irrelevant when it comes to current contracts. You get your pay raised by attempting to match the top of the scale. And...
SWA is currently the HIGHEST PAYING narrowbody passenger airline in the USA.
Get it? Got it? Good!
- Status