Screaming_Emu
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Growth in the regional market is not a good thing. I want my airline to stay the same size or shrink with attrition.
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Growth in the regional market is not a good thing. I want my airline to stay the same size or shrink with attrition.
brian434
Well-Known Member
Really? You want your airline to shrink with attrition instead of expand it's book of business? Doesn't seem like there are enough green pastures for people to be moving on right now. I'm betting that a lot that are calling it quits aren't staying with aviation or at least not in a pilot role.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Yup.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Really? You want your airline to grow and expand it's book of business? You do realize that flying isn't going to be created out of thin air right? The market is pretty much a zero sum game (or more recently due to capacity cuts a negative sum game). Any flying you pick up (and GoJets is doing a bunch of that right now) is coming at the expense of another regional or mainline flying. So sure, be happy about that growth because for every airplane you pick up, either another regional pilot is loosing their job or another mainline plane is being permanently retired and not replaced. Which of course is fine for anybody who wants to spend the rest of their career on the regional seniority list they currently are on, but for the rest of us who aren't self centered asshats (you can totally say ass here!) that's bad news.
EDIT: Upon reading that over I realize it sounded like I was calling you a self centered asshat... I wasn't. I was implying that those that wish for more flying at the expense of mainline or another regional (see: RJDC, Freedom-A, GoJet-the-early-years-and-to-many-people-still-today) are self centered asshats.
brian434
Well-Known Member
<----- 2% self-centered-asshat. Maybe a little more. 
I am curious how GoJet is pulling (growing) their new found share of the market. Just from a pure business sense it's interesting that while so many others are shrinking or losing their fair share of money GJ is finding a way to expand. I wonder if it's pure price point or something else.
I am curious how GoJet is pulling (growing) their new found share of the market. Just from a pure business sense it's interesting that while so many others are shrinking or losing their fair share of money GJ is finding a way to expand. I wonder if it's pure price point or something else.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
I believe if's called undercutting the competition, leading to the race to the bottom. If you don't believe or understand how that works......... I'd say you got some learning to do.<----- 2% self-centered-asshat. Maybe a little more.
I am curious how GoJet is pulling (growing) their new found share of the market. Just from a pure business sense it's interesting that while so many others are shrinking or losing their fair share of money GJ is finding a way to expand. I wonder if it's pure price point or something else.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
<----- 2% self-centered-asshat. Maybe a little more.
I am curious how GoJet is pulling (growing) their new found share of the market. Just from a pure business sense it's interesting that while so many others are shrinking or losing their fair share of money GJ is finding a way to expand. I wonder if it's pure price point or something else.
Seriously?
The Delta flying you're doing is coming from ASA. One month the planes were flying for ASA, the next month GoJets took them.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
A lot of the savings comes simply from having a more junior pilot group. Legacy regionals like ASA and Comair have a bunch of extremely senior pilots, and they cost a lot more than newer pilots do. GoJet is a very young airline, so they have none of the senior pilots that drive up costs. When one airline is paying a few hundred pilots the maximum captain rate, and another airline doesn't have any captains over 7 years of longevity, then it's tough for the older airline to compete. Hence the problem with outsourcing and how it inevitably leads to the race to the bottom.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
In some (rare) cases, it's simply an economy of scale or a less inefficient operation. In most cases however, it's that the undercutting company has labor contracts that are inferior to the company's being undercut. Check out GoJet's contract and then look at ASA's. Look beyond the pay rates and you'll pretty quickly see why the flying got shifted.
.....And $100 says that in a few months someone else will likely undercut GoJets and take it from there, and so on, and so on, and so forth. Death spiral!!
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Don't take this the wrong way, because I don't mean this to come across as beating you down.
But you've waited a little too long to start asking these questions. These are things you should have considered before, but you seemingly didn't have any interest in listening to what the folks around here had to say.
Too, it could be said "welcome to the regionals!"
Seggy
Well-Known Member
<----- 2% self-centered-asshat. Maybe a little more.
I am curious how GoJet is pulling (growing) their new found share of the market. Just from a pure business sense it's interesting that while so many others are shrinking or losing their fair share of money GJ is finding a way to expand. I wonder if it's pure price point or something else.
As others have said, from a quick look at payscales, GoJets pays $4.00 less an hour for flying a CRJ-700 than a ASA FO makes flying a CRJ-200 on second year pay. That may answer a lot of your questions.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Worth repeating.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Not really. I know you have taken on the White Knight's armor as far as GoJet goes, and that's cool and all, but not all regionals are created equal. I'm not even saying "my regional is better than yours". I'm just saying that while yes, cost competitive is the name of the game, it is achieved differently on different properties.
Im sure they're all different, as much as they're all the same. And I have no vested interest in GoJets (or any other regional, for that matter) in any way, I just think the hysteria involved in it, even today, is interesting.
Nick
Well-Known Member
It could also be said that the damage the entire regional industry has done......or has been allowed to do.....will not be undone for a long time.
