GLA or Multi-Engine Piston

*shrug* Industry-Discussion aside, I'd go to Lakes between the two. But I would adjust my expectations to a more realistic level vis a vis hiring at "the majors".
 
jhugz said:
Why is it that this guy going to Great Mistakes OK and people going to GoJet's not. Both hurt the industry, one more then the other, and that one being people taking Mickey D wage jobs to fly a turbine aircraft. You're being hypocritical if you ask me.
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Its not just about being able to fly a turbine aircraft. For some people, at this point in their lives, it is the next step in their career progression. Obviously its not for you but that doesn't mean you need to be the one to discourage others to do it. Aviation isn't the only industry that has low-paying entry level jobs. Flying at Lakes can be a great, challenging experience and I hear it will make you one hell of a sharp pilot pretty quick.
 
redwings191 said:
Flying at Lakes can be a great, challenging experience and I hear it will make you one hell of a sharp pilot pretty quick.
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Not having flown there, I can't comment on the rewards or challenges of the experience, but riding sidekick in a king air ain't exactly landing the space shuttle.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Not having flown there, I can't comment on the rewards or challenges of the experience, but riding sidekick in a king air ain't exactly landing the space shuttle.
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I don't think anything is exactly like landing the space shuttle except for, of course, landing the space shuttle.

However, flying NDB approaches with no autopilot and no GPS into small mountain airports could possibly help to sharpen your piloting skills.
 
TopGunn said:
Boris, you are dangerous.
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*chomp*

redwings191 said:
However, flying NDB approaches with no autopilot and no GPS into small mountain airports could possibly help to sharpen your piloting skills.
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Of course. So can flying a BJ from Chicago to Des Moines 14 times a day. I'm all for becoming a hairy-chested "done it all" pilot, but for those whose goal is to "get to the majors in 2 years" and put it on cruise control for the rest of their lives, that sort of experience is an irrelevancy.
 
redwings191 said:
They pay for your hotel
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But you work for free throughout training. That seems legit. Sounds professional to me.

redwings191 said:
Its not just about being able to fly a turbine aircraft. For some people, at this point in their lives, it is the next step in their career progression. Obviously its not for you but that doesn't mean you need to be the one to discourage others to do it. Aviation isn't the only industry that has low-paying entry level jobs. Flying at Lakes can be a great, challenging experience and I hear it will make you one hell of a sharp pilot pretty quick.
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The whole mentality that all you need is 1000TPIC as quick as you get it, is destroying the industry. The mentality that work rules suck, pay sucks, my QoL sucks, but it's OK because I have the slight chance to make it to the majors in a couple of years is sickening. Have some damn pride.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Of course. So can flying a BJ from Chicago to Des Moines 14 times a day. I'm all for becoming a hairy-chested "done it all" pilot, but for those whose goal is to "get to the majors in 2 years" and put it on cruise control for the rest of their lives, that sort of experience is an irrelevancy.
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Really? How exactly is it irrelevant? If you can hand fly approaches, does that somehow make you less able to punch it into the FMS once you move on to bigger and better things?
 
redwings191 said:
Really? How exactly is it irrelevant? If you can hand fly approaches, does that somehow make you less able to punch it into the FMS once you move on to bigger and better things?
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You do realize that people do your "crew" job single pilot and in more difficult aircraft right? The experience is more hands on then an RJ, but give it a rest skygod.
 
jhugz said:
The whole mentality that all you need is 1000TPIC as quick as you get it, is destroying the industry. The mentality that work rules suck, pay sucks, my QoL sucks, but it's OK because I have the slight chance to make it to the majors in a couple of years is sickening. Have some damn pride.
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Isn't that the point of any career? Climb to ladder as fast as you can? Also, if the work rules suck, pay sucks, QoL sucks, why don't those pilots go do something else and stop complaining? No one is forcing them to be an airline pilot. No one held a gun to their head and forced them to take the job. Thats the way it is and they knew that before they got into it. As much as we all want to live in an ideal, fair world, we just have to accept the fact that its not going to happen.
 
redwings191 said:
Really? How exactly is it irrelevant? If you can hand fly approaches, does that somehow make you less able to punch it into the FMS once you move on to bigger and better things?
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Hee. "irrelevant" means that it doesn't matter, not that it makes you less capable. Anyway, IMHO, no, doing hairy-chested flying doesn't make you any better at being a Jeeeeeeeetttttt Operator. It *might* make you a better Jet Captain (eg. by improving one's judgement, etc), but that's not what you seem to be talking about. Anyway, as huggles pointed out, flying around in the right seat of a king air just isn't nearly as Tuff as you seem to think it is.
 
jhugz said:
You do realize that people do your "crew" job single pilot and in more difficult aircraft right? The experience is more hands on then an RJ, but give it a rest skygod.
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Believe it or not, single pilot experience can be somewhat of a detriment if you're looking to move on from 135 freight to a "major." You can have all the TPIC time in the world, but if you can't work with someone in the cockpit, you're not hirable.
 
kiloalpha said:
Believe it or not, single pilot experience can be somewhat of a detriment if you're looking to move on from 135 freight to a "major." You can have all the TPIC time in the world, but if you can't work with someone in the cockpit, you're not hirable.
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Yep, I'm seeing that with our mutual friend.
 
jhugz said:
You do realize that people do your "crew" job single pilot and in more difficult aircraft right? The experience is more hands on then an RJ, but give it a rest skygod.
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Nowhere did I claim to be a skygod nor do I even work for Lakes. Relax.
 
jhugz said:
This thread makes me proud of being a professional in this great industry. Damn shame...
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Different circumstances for different people?? You wouldn't catch me dead at Lakes...I make way more than that as a bartender...way more, but that dosen't give me the right to belittle somebody else for going.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Anyway, as huggles pointed out, flying around in the right seat of a king air just isn't nearly as Tuff as you seem to think it is.
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I agree, I don't think its all that tough but its a step up from being a flight instructor in a C172 or even a Seminole. However, its still going to make him a better pilot and one step closer to his ultimate goal.
 
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