Getting off the scab list

Sorry, but I never buy slippery slope arguments.

Does that mean you tolerate willful non-compliance of a regulation or procedure because you have, personally, decided that the particular regulation or operating procedure for your aircraft does not suit you?

In a "just culture" model, why do we even worry about the "at risk" category of behavior?
 
What if the person was young and foolish not knowing better? Now sees the light and knows it was not right and encourages others to NOT do it? Should he have to pay for it the rest of his career if what he did brought down the pilot group back then?
 
What if the person was young and foolish not knowing better? Now sees the light and knows it was not right and encourages others to NOT do it? Should he have to pay for it the rest of his career if what he did brought down the pilot group back then?

You mean like if someone went to Gulfstream?
 
What if the person was young and foolish not knowing better? Now sees the light and knows it was not right and encourages others to NOT do it? Should he have to pay for it the rest of his career if what he did brought down the pilot group back then?

If you're old enough and responsible enough to assume the responsibilities of a flight deck seat in a 121 environment you should be smart enough to know what's going on and therefore accept the consequences of your actions.
 
Throwing eggs at scabs and spitting on them as they cross the line is one thing, and I see nothing wrong with any of that, but outright violence is something entirely different, and no union condones it or turns a blind eye to it.
Are you being facetious?That is one of those things if you really think it, it would be better to keep it to yourself. In a leadership position, you lose credibility saying stuff like that.
 
Are we really saying that throwing an egg at somebody is the same thing as taking a baseball bat to their skull?

If this wasn't Todd, arguments like that would NEVER fly around here. What else? That the inflatable rat causes severe emotional distress?

I'm not saying that guys should have eggs thrown at them, not nearly (although somebody will now say that I am, but there's nothing I can do about that), but if you guys don't see that this is unravelling because of who's in the thread (and further evidenced by pullups jab) then there are other issues going on that folks want to ignore in favor of being able to rip on somebody that they don't like.
 
Are we really saying that throwing an egg at somebody is the same thing as taking a baseball bat to their skull?

If this wasn't Todd, arguments like that would NEVER fly around here. What else? That the inflatable rat causes severe emotional distress?

I'm not saying that guys should have eggs thrown at them, not nearly (although somebody will now say that I am, but there's nothing I can do about that), but if you guys don't see that this is unravelling because of who's in the thread (and further evidenced by pullups jab) then there are other issues going on that folks want to ignore in favor of being able to rip on somebody that they don't like.

seems like the norm around here lately...
 
I'd venture a guess that it has less to do with Todd and more to do with someone in Todd's position.
 
I should also further clarify exactly what I'm trying to say.

We give up reasonable arguments and rational thought in favor of formalized group beat downs around here with people that we've decided are "unacceptables." We always have. In fact I've been the one leading the charge in many cases.

Maybe I've grown up enough, or pulled my head out of my butt enough, or something enough to realize how stupid it is and that instead of trying to justify it to ourselves, we'd do better to say, "You know, if somebody I liked said this, I'd probably nod my head in response to their enlightened thinking, but because I dislike this person, I'm going to blow everything they say out of proportion and be as unreasonable as possible while epicly flouncing about the horrible nature of their ghastly acts that make Hitler look like a school yard bully."

Maybe this is what happens with the internet. Hell, maybe this is how people simply treat each other, I'm not really sure.

But it's not acceptable. Calling a scab a scab and denying them further opportunities to hurt us (a job/jumpesat), but decrying one of our own, one of the guys that is actually taking the time and the abuse to step up little more than a thug because we want to make a point online about how horrible we think they are? That's unacceptable.

We're better than that as a community.
 
What if someone gently lobbed Cadbury cream eggs across the picket line?


/thread hijack
 
What if someone gently lobbed Cadbury cream eggs across the picket line?


/thread hijack

I WILL FIND YOU, HUNT YOU DOWN and buy you a tasty beverage.

When are you days off this month? We should get together sometime.
 
I WILL FIND YOU, HUNT YOU DOWN and buy you a tasty beverage.

When are you days off this month? We should get together sometime.

I'm off the rest of the month as of a few hours ago but I'm going to Memphis for the Info-Share conference.

I've only been working about 60% of the reserve days though so I'm sure I'll be around plenty in April, on-call or not.
 
Are we really saying that throwing an egg at somebody is the same thing as taking a baseball bat to their skull?

If this wasn't Todd, arguments like that would NEVER fly around here. What else? That the inflatable rat causes severe emotional distress?

I'm not saying that guys should have eggs thrown at them, not nearly (although somebody will now say that I am, but there's nothing I can do about that), but if you guys don't see that this is unravelling because of who's in the thread (and further evidenced by pullups jab) then there are other issues going on that folks want to ignore in favor of being able to rip on somebody that they don't like.

jtrain, maybe I'm not around here enough but I know nothing about Todd. What I do know is that promoting actions as he did does nothing to help our cause. Quite the opposite in my opinion and it needs to be called out. Sure throwing eggs is not the same as beating someone with a bat but that really isn't the point. A professional organization should promote professional behavior should it not? (I know your response to this I'm just stating it for others)
 
What union is promoting violence? You know that's a bunch of BS. No union in this country promotes violence. Individual morons may take matters into their own hands, but certainly not with the consent or involvement of their union.

I agree. And thats the roundabout point I was trying to get that OP to realize through my rhetorical: That individual actions of union members, good or bad, can cast the rest of the union in a good or bad light. These individuals promoting violence on their own do the union no favors. Union guys who do things the right way cast the union in a positive light. He needs to determine which one he wants to be, as the moronic comment he wrote helps promote the former, not the latter.
 
jtrain, maybe I'm not around here enough but I know nothing about Todd. What I do know is that promoting actions as he did does nothing to help our cause. Quite the opposite in my opinion and it needs to be called out. Sure throwing eggs is not the same as beating someone with a bat but that really isn't the point. A professional organization should promote professional behavior should it not? (I know your response to this I'm just stating it for others)

While I understand that may be your argument, rest assured there are others in this thread that have no interest in that arena, and instead are out for blood with Todd for one reason or another.

My larger concern is not the eggs, it's the treatment of our own members, in what was once a tighter knit community than this. Maybe I'm just pissed that it's come to mob rule? Or maybe I'm just pissed that I'm stuck in BFE Colorado for the rest of the day.
 
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