German Wings A320 crashed

Cptnchia said:
Maybe there is something to the testing Delta does.
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Steer right, until that says three-one-five!

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I firmly disagree. It takes much more intent to physically harm somebody then do something like this than to just lock the door. Equally, they can easily open the door and let somebody in.

I was really surprised that some airlines still allow people to sit up front entirely on their own for precisely this reason.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
And as a PAX what exactly are you going to do about it?

Why is a quick action based on incomplete data better than a well thought out action based on ALL the data?
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It wouldn't keep me from purchasing a ticket in Germanwings, for one thing.

Incomplete data is how we make nearly every decision every day.
 
rockman2343@aol.com said:
If it were a hypoxic/depressurization event, it's likely everyone in the back would have been affected as well. But they say the captain was trying to break the door down.
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Once that info was out, I was thinking more along the lines of a medical issue. The hypoxic theory was pre-CVR information.

Screaming_Emu said:
And as a PAX what exactly are you going to do about it?

Why is a quick action based on incomplete data better than a well thought out action based on ALL the data?
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As a pax, continue to fly at ease rather than wonder if the aircraft your on is a ticking time bomb.

There will still be a full report. But just like the Asiana crash where they quickly announced that there were no mechanical issues with the airplane, it's very good to at least assure the public that the crash was a human factors issue rather than an aircraft issue when possible. Of course, that still is a broad topic that requires broad investigation, but at least everyone who sets foot on that type of airplane afterwards won't worry about it. When DC-10s were crashing, people actively avoided them. Some companies wouldn't book employees on them in the late 70s/very early 80s.
 
AAPalmTree said:
Yes, accidents have happened and speculation has taken place. Last question: is boeing responsible for the aftermath if a pilot flys into a level 5 thunderstorm?

For example: sfo. I don't think boeing is responsible for dumbasses getting slow.
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No Boeing is not responsible for a pilot who flies into a T-Storm.

However, they design aircraft that, for the most part, can handle flying through that storm without the pitot static system freezing up degrading the aircrafts performance.
 
Absolutely crazy and nuts. Its hard to protect people from the very people we trust to do the right thing and keep them safe suddenly turn bad. I am sure there will be discussion about no one being left alone in the cockpit again. Here at a European Airport there are already questions as to why that was seemingly ok.
 
z987k said:
Also of note -
terrorist plots thwarted by the locking cockpit door: 0
airplanes crashed when the other crew member was purposely locked out: 2
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Because we have stats showing the amount of planned attacks that could have happened if the doors were not secured?
 
As someone who trained in Phoenix, and has seen a lot of overseas training, even the EASA training they do over there, there should be some push back, its clearly not to do with flying skills, but I do wonder about the value of this MCC license and simple airmanship and management practices.

I cant see someone flying for Delta, American, United doing the same thing, sure there are plenty of life pressures, but after the bitching the job gets done. This says more about Lufthansa and crew management/screening (no one has mentioned the strike yet...)

I'd like to see FAA certificates held in higher esteem given everyone and his uncle trains in US airspace. Let's share some best practice the other way across the pond on this one.
 
Flymia said:
Because we have stats showing the amount of planned attacks that could have happened if the doors were not secured?
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Like everything else in GWOT, there exists no publicly-available outcome information. Because, you know, national security, and such, and stuff like that, right?
 
ahw01 said:
I cant see someone flying for Delta, American, United doing the same thing, sure there are plenty of life pressures, but after the bitching the job gets done. This says more about Lufthansa and crew management/screening (no one has mentioned the strike yet...)
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Really, dude?

You can't conceive how someone who has had their pension, contract, benefits etc. eviscerated (let us ignore the last decade! everything is awesome now!), might be so pissed off, depressed etc. that they'd want to end it all? Really? ESPECIALLY considering how draconian the FAA is on mental health issues? Even ignoring economic pressures, life can get pretty hard. Divorces, kids, and so on.

I mean, really?

And even ignoring that, mental health, period, in this country, is bad, and we really ought to feel bad about it.

That said, I've little sympathy for someone who takes their own life in a particularly messy manner - like taking 150+ other lives with them.
 
For some reason it doesn't seem to happen?

I'm not saying celebrate it or anything but you have to wonder why.
 
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The new practice Europe is talking about if one person leaves the cockpit. ALL flight attendants MUST come to the cockpit and the lead stew/purser unlock the armory ala Air Force One. Anyone moves, EVERYONE DIES!!!
 

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