German Wings A320 crashed

Derg said:
Oh me too. Last time I tried to be a "hero" and string out a potty break until we landed, some damned Gulfstream 1900 taxied onto the runway while receiving "dual given" and sent us around.
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Ugh that sucks. Yeah the hero business is overrated...especially based in ORD. Never fails...bladder light is it's either a landing on 27r or Alpha to the penalty box.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
I absolutely wasn't saying I'm not immune to this- but let's face it, that was horrible pitch/power/stick/rudder that contributed to to both of those accidents. Someone with good pitch/power awareness not pitch up to 17 degrees nose up at FL350 in a transport jet.... ever. The exact scenario has played out on a DL or NW 330 in china, and there have been a few 767s that have iced over similarly. They just held the wings level and around 2.5 degrees of pitch and the plane just keeps on flying.

Asiana was just a mess... when it boils down to it, no one was flying the plane. He may have been a great pilot otherwise, but he was a bump on a log that day. And none of his team members backed him up, either.
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This just indicates that you do not understand the nuances of what led to it. They would not normally do these things either, but given the right inputs, almost any pilot would. It is the mindset like you are showing that leads to repeats of similar events.

Sorry to be harsh, but I really suggest some deeper thought on how one might be led to do something like this. Some very experienced pilots with extensive backgrounds have done similar.
 
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mshunter said:
One we are below 10k, all it's good for is about 1700-1800 fpm. The slower we go, the slower it goes down too, unless we start throwing stuff to the wind. And all the boards do on the -900 is make noise and rumble.
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Yeah... that's why I like airplanes that let you fly 'em like airplanes. You know, do what you tell 'em to do. I'm not a hater, and not trying to get into an In-And-Out v. McDonald's deal, but really, an airplane should respond appropriately to pilot inputs and not keep fighting the pilot because the airplane thinks it knows what's best. With the current state of affairs though (30000ft unrecognized stalls, etc.) maybe it's best that the airplane wins sometimes.
In any case, this is a sad deal for all involved. RIP.
 
ChasenSFO said:
VERY true. But given the terrain and how the situation of the wreckage looks, I'm still amazed it was found within 8 hours.
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That ADSB works reeeeal good, huh? Maybe folks will stop pissing and moaning about it because of this.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
(As you are doubtless well aware but presented for sake of discussion) There are two ways to make an airplane come down in a hurry: (1) shove the nose over, or (2) slow it down, hang all the bits out in the wind, and then shove the nose over.

The right choice depends on what you're attempting to do. Zip down from 350? Shove nose over. Downwind abeam the numbers? Flaps, gear, and hang the boards out (and then shove the nose over).
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Don't know enough about Airbi to comment specifically, but I do know that in some jets, like the ones I fly, popping and dropping everything all at once is not approved.
 
milleR said:
How what works? The plane has, like, stuff on it. Push forward go fast, pull back die. MU-2 SFAR exigo. I think . .
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Meh, pull back... things get slow. Keep pulling back, things get fast again.
 
AAPalmTree said:
Wondering what makes you say their logic is becoming "more and more" flawed? Agree there is a software issue with having to shut off two of the ADR's. No flame just a question. Seems like all manufacturers have used with each plane. Boeing: Batteries, corrosion, airframe issues etc. Airbus safety issues don't seem warrant that comment.
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Trip7 said:
+1 Air France descended at 3x the rate of the Germanwings plane.
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To make it clear, when I posted that, I was NOT talking about the cause of the German Wings Accident. I was responding to another user who was beating his chest that he has Airbus time and another user did not.

To your other point, yes, ALL airplanes have issues of one sort or another. While the Airbus is a very safe airplane, a lot of their accidents, such as Air France into the trees, Air Inter, Air France 447, and it looks like Air Asia, you see a lot of the direct causes on how the human has interacted with the system the engineers have set in place for the aircraft to fly. You don't see that much direct correlation from the human/system interaction to the direct causals of other aircraft manufacturers.

Yes, it is there, but not as prevalent in such a small period of time we have seen with the Airbus FBW system.
 
Well, this was a two-pilot aircraft that still crashed. If they have n pilots onboard plus remote control/telepresence, that's two separate methods of flying the airplane instead of two identical units that are both susceptible to the same failure modes.

But given the way apps and time-to-market have gone in the past five years, the remote control will probably be bug-ridden, susceptible to attack, and with only sophomoric security at best.
 
Minuteman said:
Well, this was a two-pilot aircraft that still crashed. If they have n pilots onboard plus remote control/telepresence, that's two separate methods of flying the airplane instead of two identical units that are both susceptible to the same failure modes.
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So are you saying make the cockpit look like a rap concert? :)
 
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