German Wings A320 crashed

seagull said:
Those pilots were all great stick and rudder pilots, look at their backgrounds. The Asian pilot flying could have rolled that 777 while flying under the Golden Gate, and the F/O at AF447 was a very experienced pilot with lots of GA time, glide pilot on his days off, etc. I can guarantee that YOU would not recognize a stall at 35,000'. I can also be sure that I could lead you down the path that got the Asiana crew, with a little fatigue and a few automation expectations. BTDT. Careful thinking that either of those could not happen to you because the real factors in both of those are traps that will get the more competent pilots.
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I absolutely wasn't saying I'm not immune to this- but let's face it, that was horrible pitch/power/stick/rudder that contributed to to both of those accidents. Someone with good pitch/power awareness not pitch up to 17 degrees nose up at FL350 in a transport jet.... ever. The exact scenario has played out on a DL or NW 330 in china, and there have been a few 767s that have iced over similarly. They just held the wings level and around 2.5 degrees of pitch and the plane just keeps on flying.

Asiana was just a mess... when it boils down to it, no one was flying the plane. He may have been a great pilot otherwise, but he was a bump on a log that day. And none of his team members backed him up, either.
 
Derg said:
I think the 727 does something you really don't want it to if you do that, I'll have to dig through my manuals in the office to see, but I remember that being a no-no if I'm not mistaken.
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That's an aileron function, 70 lbs of force disconnects them and you just have spoilers.
 
Minuteman said:
Or they didn't get a second person on the flight deck when one pilot exited and the remaining guy had a stroke and slumped over on the stick. Not necessarily murder/suicide.

I would imagine overspeed protection was what kept the speed high-ish.
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Possible. But the plane remaining on course throws a kink in this theory
 
but why would he have left the cockpit just as they'd leveled off?? Bathroom, maybe, but it was a short flight. Doesn't hold water.
 
tcco94 said:
As much hatred to the Airbus that streams the Internet I have yet to find 1 Airbus pilot say anything other than they loved flying it. Even some of the most stick and rudder pilot background guys that you'd never imagine in the Airbus love it. I still think it's dramatic to state the safety of an Airbus is that far fetched than a Boeing...don't you?
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While I may not hate the airbus every day, I definitely don't like it. But I have a nice tray table.......
 
deadstick said:
Soooo....about those articles promoting one pilot in future airliners....
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0

"
“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered."
 
Minuteman said:
Or they didn't get a second person on the flight deck when one pilot exited and the remaining guy had a stroke and slumped over on the stick. Not necessarily murder/suicide.

I would imagine overspeed protection was what kept the speed high-ish.
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I agree. This is absolutely SHOCKING... so now what, fingerprint or RFID Cockpit doors??
 
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