Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
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Gender reveal crash
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Pilot Fighter
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Jewel of a museum. When I visited, the guided tour included cockpit access to the Herc. That, and the F-16 visible from the cockpit stuck out in my head.
Worth a visit if you are at MSP. I believe that civilians need clearance, in advance.
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
There's another A model on a stick in the panhandle of FL. Hurlbert maybe? Im not for sure. Its been a while since Ive been down there. We stopped in there one day and they let us on that one as well as a crew. The MN cockpit was way more intact than the FL one.
DeltaAlphaNovember
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Love me some C-130's. Grew up mostly around the E models at Pope AFB. Have about 10 hours in the sims there over the years.
And now. As Pope Army Airfield, the once bustling color-named ramps full of C-130s, is mostly all a barren empty giant concrete ramp.
WacoFan
Bigly
I love Studebakers, Marlene Dietrich (the real reason to watch No Highway in the Clouds), Duesenbergs, Cords, Auburns, and of course the late 20's thru 1941 is my favorite era of aviation. If I were to order up a high-priced escort I'd ask for her to be attired as a flapper. If I got my wish of any era to be in my prime - it'd be the 20's and 30's.
DeltaAlphaNovember
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Good old Green ramp. I've never understood why they shut Pope down. My dad was stationed there 3 different times.
knot4u
Repeat Offender
I recall a trailer with 4 3-blade C-130 props once showed up at our shop, we had no idea why they were there, what we're supposed to do with them and no idea who the customer was. I think that was the first time I saw the name "Aeropostal", years later I'd see people wearing clothing with that name and wonder about it. I don't know anything about that operation, I do know we never unloaded the trailer and it was a couple of weeks before it magically disappeared.The interesting thing about the A model Hercs and how they ended up in the air tanker contractor fleet, was an interesting story from Arizona history, that ended up in a federal indictment of two men involved in the program. One from the USFS aviation division and another who was an aircraft broker.
The infamous USFS Museum Trade program where old WWII to Vietnam contractor planes used for firefighting, such as the C-119, C-54, B-17, etc, were being traded to the USAF museum by a few contractors, who would get in trade, C-130As, and in the case of a Aero Union in CA, P-3A Orions. These turboprop planes were a first, at the time in 1987/88, to come on line to replace the old recip powered firefighting fleet planes that were getting very long in the tooth. The problem was, that the USFS was to retain overall title to the planes, but they would be flown and maintained by the contract companies. The two principals involved however, were transferring title to themselves and to these companies, in exchange for cash payments. These same companies, including one here in AZ where numerous of their A models are stored at Coolidge, were illegally using the planes for profit in non firefighting roles such as hauling cargo around Saudi and Kuwait during the 1991 Gulf War. One of the C-130As was caught hauling drugs between Mexico and Arizona. I still remember this whole scandal going on as it was happening, since it was big and local aviation news back in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
In the case of the C-130As, there was no operating or fatigue analyses done, because the assumption was that since the USAF Reserve and Air National Guard was operating the C-130E/H in the Modular Airborne Firefighting System (MAFFS) role, that these A model -130s could just be engineered with tanks and do the same thing; even though MAFFS….a portable slide-in tank, and the permanent tanks the A models would get…..were two completely different systems. Also, there is a reason these A models were in the boneyard at Tucson when they were acquired by the USFS: because they were 1956/57 models that were essentially timed out from a life of assault landings, airdrops and every other higher airframe stress mission that these birds undertook over 20+ years of service including the Vietnam war.
These A models were tired already. Now they were being placed into firefighting service as 3000 gallon air tankers. Every single drop these planes would do, with firefighting retardant weighing a nominal 10 lbs/gal, these planes would lose 30,000 lbs in the span of a minute or less. Then go reload and do it again. This constant loading and unloading on the airframe acted akin to a paper clip being bent back and forth. Unfortunately, for N130HP in Walker, California in 2002….also a 1956 A model, that problem was seen on video. As well as a 1994 crash of a sister C-130A from Hemet Valley flying service in Pearblossom, CA that also had a wing separate in cruise flight. Both of these planes had been A models acquired from this Museum trade program.
C-130Aa still fly firefighting operations, but at a reduced load and outside the USA, namely in France and Australia, but US contractor firefighting companies. And are flying with 4 blade props.
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dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
Dumb…all of them!I have so many thoughts on gender reveals, but then I know I’ll probably stick my foot in my mouth because there are people on this thread who probably made some shuffle dance tiktok video about the gender of their child. Ha!
We didn’t want to know until the body slid out. No big gender parties, no fires, no plane crashes; just an honest God-given surprise at the moment of birth! Wouldn’t trade the experience…
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
I have so many thoughts on gender reveals, but then I know I’ll probably stick my foot in my mouth because there are people on this thread who probably made some shuffle dance tiktok video about the gender of their child. Ha!
I have the same thoughts about the influencers and selfies holding a tablet with their flight hours on it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You didn’t start a forest fire to tell the world, “Braadyynne has a wee wee!”?
Won’t be long before libs end gender reveal parties because a baby cannot consent to its “assigned” gender.
Show me on the doll where the preferred pronouns hurt you.Won’t be long before libs end gender reveal parties because a baby cannot consent to its “assigned” gender.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
There is an ocean between finding out the gender ahead of time, and having a crop duster come over at 10 feet and spray pink dust on you while filmed for social media.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
No argument here!
One leads to the next…
Nope. There is a severely warped 'Tweener Gen in which I'm included that had very ambitious grandparents who made certain we young'uns learned to love all those old movies and musicals. Now, I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing. But it is a thing.