Furlough Estimates

arkflyr

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Ugh... furloughing for the first time in the midst of their 50th anniversary celebration? Bad optics.


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I given a lot of thought to this. I think they are being my pretty honest about doing everything possible to avoid furloughs. I mean look at how much cool aide they spew around here, if they make it through this with no job losses they will 10x that stuff for the 50th anniversary.

That being said if they have to cut jobs to keep the place from bankruptcy I’m pretty sure they will. I mean what’s the point of saving a few jobs if in the end the whole place goes under. Not that I think that is going to happen by the way.
 

Autothrust Blue

Very querulous
That being said if they have to cut jobs to keep the place from bankruptcy I’m pretty sure they will. I mean what’s the point of saving a few jobs if in the end the whole place goes under. Not that I think that is going to happen by the way.
Airlines don't do the "every ten years, bet the company" thing.

Perhaps they should and perhaps right now, in trying to figure out if, when, and how the recovery goes is that bet.
 

BobDDuck

Island Bus Driver
From what I've seen, SWA based their recovery forecast on being an LCC and owning the leisure market. Thsr worked for them in 2001 and in 2008, but since then Frontier and Spirit have filled that market, and Southwest has moved a bunch into the business market. I think that's one of the reasons they had the most aggressive recovery plans originally. It allowed them to pay more to avoid furloughs because the time frame to full ops looked shorter. That of course changed when they realized they don't own the pure lcc market any more and increased their schedule cuts. That changed the timeline to full ops and makes our much harder to keep paying out extra to prevent furloughs.
 

Gonzo

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So baseline bike for that I'd get would be this or similar.


It's not going to break the bank but it is nice enough to keep you motivated to ride it. It's safe with disk brakes. The parts are nice enough to not need immediate replacement.

I also sent you a PM
I was looking to add another bike, I wanted something more upright than the bikes I have. Rode a FX-4 ended up with a Townie Path 9D.
 

Flyinthrew

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First born child, kill all the puppies in your neighborhood, sacrifice grandma to volcano, 24 hour notification for reserve assignment, atomic wedgie for each month you stay employeed after nov
Soooo like...I think there’s going to be a pretty good take rate.


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jynxyjoe

The Kickin' Chicken!
Soooo like...I think there’s going to be a pretty good take rate.


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Yeah, f grandma, covid will get her anyway.

I know ed hates puppies but i think we should have pushed back on that one. Whatever, too late now.
 

amichael

Well-Known Member
1) Reduced Regular Line - lines built to +/- 7.5 hrs of 80% of the ALV, no lower than 52 hrs
2) Monthly Blank Lines - 25 hr guarantee, able to white slip (pick up open time)
3) Ultra Long Call Reserve - 80% of reserve guarantee, 24 hour call out, one fewer reserve on call day per month
4) Continuous 12 Month Blank Line - 35 hr guarantee, able to white slip, committed for a 12 month period

All voluntary. Company gets to determine how many of each type of line to award in each category each month.
 

jynxyjoe

The Kickin' Chicken!
1) Reduced Regular Line - lines built to +/- 7.5 hrs of 80% of the ALV, no lower than 52 hrs
2) Monthly Blank Lines - 25 hr guarantee, able to white slip (pick up open time)
3) Ultra Long Call Reserve - 80% of reserve guarantee, 24 hour call out, one fewer reserve on call day per month
4) Continuous 12 Month Blank Line - 35 hr guarantee, able to white slip, committed for a 12 month period

All voluntary. Company gets to determine how many of each type of line to award in each category each month.
Cue the screaming that these voluntary measures are a give.
 

Cherokee_Cruiser

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I am glad for any furlough that is cancelled or delayed.

Looks like every airline and their mother is counting on a quick recovery next year, which is why they are doing all this to avert costly furloughs. I just hope that rings true and doesn't backfire on us all.
 

BobDDuck

Island Bus Driver
Looks like every airline and their mother is counting on a quick recovery next year, which is why they are doing all this to avert costly furloughs.
No. Exactly none of them are doing that. They are all not sure how fast the recovery will be so they are working out the cheapest option to keep crews spooled up so they can be the first to restore capacity if there is a quick recovery.
 

Cherokee_Cruiser

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No. Exactly none of them are doing that. They are all not sure how fast the recovery will be so they are working out the cheapest option to keep crews spooled up so they can be the first to restore capacity if there is a quick recovery.
Cheapest option? I thought the United guys said this covid agreement is actually a bit more costly as opposed to just furloughing their planned ~3,900 guys and leaving the TA as is.
 
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