mattc206
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Coming to these fourms, reading the posts, peoples trials and then successes, pictures, are always a inspiration to me when I need a little boost, and thank you to everyone for that, but now I am just needing some advice, guidance, whatever, inspiration because I am so freaking frustrated right now I am ready to pack up the car and leave right now.
I will start my saying I am a Flight Instructor, and I work at a smaller school, Have been a FI for 6 months now and all I have to show for it is 105 hours AS A FULL TIME INSTRUCTOR/CHARTER PILOT 85 dual given, 20 on charters, thats $2100 in flight pay, thank god for the bank of mom and dad or else I would of been home less long ago.
The main issue that is eating me right now is the school and management in which I am employed with, I joined them as soon as I finished my instructor training in August, and in the end of September, our school hired a new Chief Flight Instructor, The first incident happened on the new Chief's first day- he flew with a student of mine and ended up yelling and cutting the student off when the student was trying to explain something to him, after the debrief was finished I took the Chief Instructor into the Owners office and explain I did not like how he my student and told him in my opinion it was unprofessional and it could of been handled in a different manner, I did this politely, directly and in a professional manner.
The next incident happend 2 weeks later, I got in from a flight and was doing paperwork for dispatch before going to go debrief my student, at my school we have 2 policies- No talking about students in front of other students, it has to be behind closed doors, and 2- no hanging out in the dispatch area- take it elsewhere, Anyways, I am in the dispatch area when this happend, quickly filling out the log book and the Chief FI approached me and asked me about a flight I did 2 weeks prior and then preceded to debate with me about it, at this time my student had to get going soon and I had to debrief him, So i said to the chief instructor "I'm just about to go debrief a student, can we talk about this when I am done?" the Chief FI precded to yell at me "You are a smart ass and if I had it my way you would not work here" and walked out of the dispatch office and slammed the door, this all happend in front of students and staff. I phoned the owner and my chief pilot that night.
We have a small instructional staff here- 3 full time instructors, 2 management instructors, 1 DPE that is Part time. The 3 full-time instructors are very pissed off right now with management because of many issues relating to the Chief FI- scheduling, pay cuts, paperwork problems, students not wanting to fly with the Chief FI, customers leaving training here and going elsewhere to train as a result of confrontations with the Chief FI, the Chief FI not doing the duties he is required to, etc, and we have told the owners we NEED to meet with them about this, and the owners have completely avoided the issue, they schedule staff meetings from 0900-0930 every few months and then have instructors briefing at 0930, when the owners KNOW full well the FI's have alot to say, and when we are actually meeting the owners just talk about non-relevant subjects like aircrafts, etc and they dont give us a chance to address the issues we have concerns about, the 3 full time instructors are united in our concerns regarding everything, and I myself cant bring it up because its well known that the Chief FI and I are professional and polite to each other and it ends their- if I went to the owners with all of our concerns it would look like a witch hunt on my part. Their also has been occasions where the Chief FI has tried to tell instructors to do something that would be contradictory to our Operations manual and company policy, to which we say NO we will not do that, its against our ops manual, this shows that the Chief FI does not know this manual which is of concern, since he is supposed to be running the school based on the policies and procedures that are in that manual.
In addition to all this, the Chief FI has threatened the flying and employment of all 3 full time instructors here, and has done it in front of staff and customers.
My dialemma is, now that the instructors know all of our concerns, and that we have told the owners we need to meet with them, but been avoided and rebuffed on our requests, the other 2 instructors are afraid of bringing the concerns and issues to the owners, I am not afraid of this, but like I said because of my history, it would not look good on me if I did this alone.
The latest incident involved vacation time, I talked to management (Owners, Chief FI, Chief Pilot) about some days off, and they OK'd it, so once I booked the vacation I sent a email to them all saying I will be gone these days, the next day the chief FI and I marked these days off in his calender in his office and he was fine with the days I had requested and had been approved for, and then on friday the next day, the Chief FI took me into his office and asked me why I had not consulted with him on the days I had requested off, :banghead: the day before we marked the requested and approved days off in his calender and he told me they were fine!!!
The owner and the Chief FI are buds, they are drinking and golfing buds, we call it the 10 second rule- you cant be in the Owners office for more then 15 seconds before the Chief FI comes in with some excuse to listen to what your talking to the owner about, he even brings the owner lunch and booze, totally sucking up to him, and its known among the staff that the owners wife does not like the new Chief FI, who likes to say sexist and rude comments all the time.
Now getting to the root of all of this, I am simply unhappy here, all I have to show for 6 months of "full time" work is $2100, and 105 hours, when all my other FI friends at similar schools are averaging 35-40 hours a month, the issues that we have with the Chief FI havent improved, they have gotten worse, and new ones are being brought up by the week, but the other 2 FI's simply dont want to bring them to the owners, when I first started instructing I loved coming to work, now I dread it, the flying itself is the best part of my day and I very much enjoy instructing but the work environment is toxic. I am getting very very frustrated and I just want to pack up and leave, I have cleaned up my place and my car, everything I own fits in my car and it can be packed in a hour, everything is already in boxes anyways (never unpacked lol) but with the economy, no other schools seem to be hiring yet. I cant sleep, well 3-4 hours the last 2 weeks, I am just not tired, I am so frustrated and pissed off about this.
Believe you me, I try to be happy about coming here, but I am now to the point of coming in, doing my best job for my students, and going home and try to not let myself get caught up in the work politics. But I am just getting to my wits end here and dont know what to do, I have been unhappy here since October but am trying to make the best of it, but it is hard, because I am tired of dreading going to work, I want to enjoy my work.
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I will start my saying I am a Flight Instructor, and I work at a smaller school, Have been a FI for 6 months now and all I have to show for it is 105 hours AS A FULL TIME INSTRUCTOR/CHARTER PILOT 85 dual given, 20 on charters, thats $2100 in flight pay, thank god for the bank of mom and dad or else I would of been home less long ago.
The main issue that is eating me right now is the school and management in which I am employed with, I joined them as soon as I finished my instructor training in August, and in the end of September, our school hired a new Chief Flight Instructor, The first incident happened on the new Chief's first day- he flew with a student of mine and ended up yelling and cutting the student off when the student was trying to explain something to him, after the debrief was finished I took the Chief Instructor into the Owners office and explain I did not like how he my student and told him in my opinion it was unprofessional and it could of been handled in a different manner, I did this politely, directly and in a professional manner.
The next incident happend 2 weeks later, I got in from a flight and was doing paperwork for dispatch before going to go debrief my student, at my school we have 2 policies- No talking about students in front of other students, it has to be behind closed doors, and 2- no hanging out in the dispatch area- take it elsewhere, Anyways, I am in the dispatch area when this happend, quickly filling out the log book and the Chief FI approached me and asked me about a flight I did 2 weeks prior and then preceded to debate with me about it, at this time my student had to get going soon and I had to debrief him, So i said to the chief instructor "I'm just about to go debrief a student, can we talk about this when I am done?" the Chief FI precded to yell at me "You are a smart ass and if I had it my way you would not work here" and walked out of the dispatch office and slammed the door, this all happend in front of students and staff. I phoned the owner and my chief pilot that night.
We have a small instructional staff here- 3 full time instructors, 2 management instructors, 1 DPE that is Part time. The 3 full-time instructors are very pissed off right now with management because of many issues relating to the Chief FI- scheduling, pay cuts, paperwork problems, students not wanting to fly with the Chief FI, customers leaving training here and going elsewhere to train as a result of confrontations with the Chief FI, the Chief FI not doing the duties he is required to, etc, and we have told the owners we NEED to meet with them about this, and the owners have completely avoided the issue, they schedule staff meetings from 0900-0930 every few months and then have instructors briefing at 0930, when the owners KNOW full well the FI's have alot to say, and when we are actually meeting the owners just talk about non-relevant subjects like aircrafts, etc and they dont give us a chance to address the issues we have concerns about, the 3 full time instructors are united in our concerns regarding everything, and I myself cant bring it up because its well known that the Chief FI and I are professional and polite to each other and it ends their- if I went to the owners with all of our concerns it would look like a witch hunt on my part. Their also has been occasions where the Chief FI has tried to tell instructors to do something that would be contradictory to our Operations manual and company policy, to which we say NO we will not do that, its against our ops manual, this shows that the Chief FI does not know this manual which is of concern, since he is supposed to be running the school based on the policies and procedures that are in that manual.
In addition to all this, the Chief FI has threatened the flying and employment of all 3 full time instructors here, and has done it in front of staff and customers.
My dialemma is, now that the instructors know all of our concerns, and that we have told the owners we need to meet with them, but been avoided and rebuffed on our requests, the other 2 instructors are afraid of bringing the concerns and issues to the owners, I am not afraid of this, but like I said because of my history, it would not look good on me if I did this alone.
The latest incident involved vacation time, I talked to management (Owners, Chief FI, Chief Pilot) about some days off, and they OK'd it, so once I booked the vacation I sent a email to them all saying I will be gone these days, the next day the chief FI and I marked these days off in his calender in his office and he was fine with the days I had requested and had been approved for, and then on friday the next day, the Chief FI took me into his office and asked me why I had not consulted with him on the days I had requested off, :banghead: the day before we marked the requested and approved days off in his calender and he told me they were fine!!!
The owner and the Chief FI are buds, they are drinking and golfing buds, we call it the 10 second rule- you cant be in the Owners office for more then 15 seconds before the Chief FI comes in with some excuse to listen to what your talking to the owner about, he even brings the owner lunch and booze, totally sucking up to him, and its known among the staff that the owners wife does not like the new Chief FI, who likes to say sexist and rude comments all the time.
Now getting to the root of all of this, I am simply unhappy here, all I have to show for 6 months of "full time" work is $2100, and 105 hours, when all my other FI friends at similar schools are averaging 35-40 hours a month, the issues that we have with the Chief FI havent improved, they have gotten worse, and new ones are being brought up by the week, but the other 2 FI's simply dont want to bring them to the owners, when I first started instructing I loved coming to work, now I dread it, the flying itself is the best part of my day and I very much enjoy instructing but the work environment is toxic. I am getting very very frustrated and I just want to pack up and leave, I have cleaned up my place and my car, everything I own fits in my car and it can be packed in a hour, everything is already in boxes anyways (never unpacked lol) but with the economy, no other schools seem to be hiring yet. I cant sleep, well 3-4 hours the last 2 weeks, I am just not tired, I am so frustrated and pissed off about this.
Believe you me, I try to be happy about coming here, but I am now to the point of coming in, doing my best job for my students, and going home and try to not let myself get caught up in the work politics. But I am just getting to my wits end here and dont know what to do, I have been unhappy here since October but am trying to make the best of it, but it is hard, because I am tired of dreading going to work, I want to enjoy my work.
Thanks for listening to my rant
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