Frontier chooses Republic

Unfortunately, the only people who truly benefit when they axe cash and prizes in the airline business are the foreign carriers.

If you've got an Airbus type rating and experience, Europe and the Middle East are lookin' for ya.

I think almost half of my America West pals are poolies for a foreign carrier.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Unfortunately, the only people who truly benefit when they axe cash and prizes in the airline business are the foreign carriers.

If you've got an Airbus type rating and experience, Europe and the Middle East are lookin' for ya.

I think almost half of my America West pals are poolies for a foreign carrier.
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There are at least 10 furloughed Frontier guys flying for Vietnam Airlines. Making way more money sitting in the right seat then they could have ever imagined making in the US.
 
All I have to say is if Republic takes a dump as a company this industry is going to suck for the next 15 years.
 
Socal321 said:
uh... what do you think will eventually happen? Takeover. Remember with Midwest? The 170 deal was supposed to be temporary flying until Midwest could train their own pilots in them. That didn't last more then a few months before the eventual takeover. At least there will still be a Frontier brand this way but it will be a pseudo regional like Midwest will be. This is all about brand loyalty for the Frontier pilots, not sure if it's the right move. They chose the brand over flying for Southwest, even if it means flying RJs.
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I don't think management would EVER do this just for the pilots. The management just didn't want Frontier to go away. IMO, they would sell out the pilots for brand loyalty. There is too much weight being applied to the lack of agreement between unions. Yes, it was a factor, but I doubt the major players were waiting by the phones to find out if the MECs were going to give them "permission" to merge. That's not the way it works. Right or wrong, Frontier is here to stay for now...

jtrain609 said:
So has everybody forgotten that both Frontier and Republic have merger/acquisition language in their contracts that prevents these two companies from being operated separately?

There WILL be a list integration here, the contracts demand it, and it doesn't matter if Republic wants to "run the companies separately."
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The language seems quite strong. I hope that there isn't a ton of infighting. It would just be yet another "my union is better than your union" battle.

surreal1221 said:
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Head in the sand. OOOOK? Who has their head in the sand? There's been a transaction. Two companies are merging and both companies have labor agreements with laborers. Basically, a crapload of employees have just been dumped into a pile and someone is going to have to sort them out. At this point, who has their head in the sand already?

Polar742 said:
I voted yes on the current CBA.

You can ask why, or do a search, as I'm sure I posted the reasoning.

Oh....yeah.

One word: SCOPE.

I'm not apologetic about it either. The CBA was a VAST improvement over the prior one, the first non-concessionary post-911 contract, and it has outstanding scope.

Money comes and goes. However, without a CBA protecting jobs, the thick book of paper rapidly becomes a doorstop.
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Yeah, I guess it depends on the definition of "shortsighted" here. I didn't mean it as a shot at those who voted. You just didn't know this was going to happen. Perhaps you figured this type of scenario into the past negotiations and decided a big move on scope was the best at the time. I probably would've done the same thing. If things had been negotiated differently, would we be in a different situation? I think it's possible, but I don't fault anyone for how they voted.

sherpa said:
Is this going to save F9 or just keep it on life support for a little longer? What is the plan to compete against Southwest and United in Denver?

Could this have just been an opportunity to get a very cheap rate on some airframes, trained pilots and other staff to operate in a diff. market eventually?

Doug Parker said in one of his crew news webcasts that BB was just looking for some security in the event UAL folds he would have a place to put all of his jets.
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This is like taking them off of life support and surgically implanting healthy parts. They were making a profit. RAH is making a profit. Profit + profit = profit. Sure, Frontier had issues that their profits may have been little help, but RAH is basically canceling that out. RAH is footing the bill for the life support and making that history. Any following issues will be RAH issues and will have little to do with Frontier's past problems.

jhugz said:
All I have to say is if Republic takes a dump as a company this industry is going to suck for the next 15 years.
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I take it you like Republic?
 
falconvalley said:
Yeah, I guess it depends on the definition of "shortsighted" here. I didn't mean it as a shot at those who voted. You just didn't know this was going to happen. Perhaps you figured this type of scenario into the past negotiations and decided a big move on scope was the best at the time. I probably would've done the same thing. If things had been negotiated differently, would we be in a different situation? I think it's possible, but I don't fault anyone for how they voted.
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By "short-sighted" I guess I can only take it one way. I had a contract in my hand that was a quantum leap over the previous book. The airline had grown from 200 pilots and 28 tprops to 500 pilots and 50 ERJs with more ERJs on order.

In 2003, you knew BB was the real deal, but if I sat down in June of 2003 and tell you what the airline looked like in 2009, you would have hauled me off for a piss test purely on reasonable suspicion.
 
BB stated several times he intended to sell off these other carriers when the time was right.

Buy airline for fire sale. Issue IPO with reduced costs. Bank the $$.

It's the only way to make money in the airline business.
 
wheelsup said:
BB stated several times he intended to sell off these other carriers when the time was right.

Buy airline for fire sale. Issue IPO with reduced costs. Bank the $$.

It's the only way to make money in the airline business.
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Bedford just released his weekly sermon and he mentioned the winning bid and told us that we are going to be integrating all the pilot groups. Also read him on some news clipping saying that the Airbus will be put on some of the heavy west coast MidWest routes. I don't think BB has any intention of selling any of the airlines and every intention of trying to grow them. Hopefully we keep the Frontier name as I believe it has a stronger brand recognition. Maybe a Frontier Airbus to HNL to feed the Mokulele operation...

Im sick of hearing the little jabs for flying Airbii for 50 seat pay, I wonder what all the jealous nay sayers will point out once the pay and QOL issues are fixed once our new contract is voted in.
 
SoCalAprch said:
Im sick of hearing the little jabs for flying Airbii for 50 seat pay, I wonder what will all the jealous nay sayers will point out once the pay and QOL issues are fixed once our new contract is voted in.
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Lots of rhetoric flying around . . . and, I think you're right!
 
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