Frontier chooses Republic

So has everybody forgotten that both Frontier and Republic have merger/acquisition language in their contracts that prevents these two companies from being operated separately?

There WILL be a list integration here, the contracts demand it, and it doesn't matter if Republic wants to "run the companies separately."
 
So has everybody forgotten that both Frontier and Republic have merger/acquisition language in their contracts that prevents these two companies from being operated separately?

There WILL be a list integration here, the contracts demand it, and it doesn't matter if Republic wants to "run the companies separately."

ostrichpic.jpg
 
Think they pulled a Bob Crandall versus Ron Allen? :)

Ron Allen: We want Pan Am's MIA assets!

Bob Crandall: So do we!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!!!!!!!!!

Bob Crandall: Take it, chumps! Moo hoo hah!

Sounds like what people do to you on eBay.... grrr
 
Well is RAH keeps it's word and keeps F9 operating as a Standalone carrier... I suppose that is better for the pilot group. Remember we're all in this together ;)



because we can all trust RAH to do the right thing. . .
 
There WILL be a list integration here, the contracts demand it, and it doesn't matter if Republic wants to "run the companies separately."

John,
Not sure if that was sarcasm or you really think that. I'm assuming that was meant to be read sarcastically.
 
Think they pulled a Bob Crandall versus Ron Allen? :)

Ron Allen: We want Pan Am's MIA assets!

Bob Crandall: So do we!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!!!!!!!!!

Bob Crandall: Take it, chumps! Moo hoo hah!
I believe the intial RAH bid was the one that ended up being the winning bid.
 
As usual, we can thank shortsighted negotiating for this pay rate. I know that compensation is still being worked for the amended contract. That's all I have to say about that...

I voted yes on the current CBA.

You can ask why, or do a search, as I'm sure I posted the reasoning.

Oh....yeah.

One word: SCOPE.

I'm not apologetic about it either. The CBA was a VAST improvement over the prior one, the first non-concessionary post-911 contract, and it has outstanding scope.

Money comes and goes. However, without a CBA protecting jobs, the thick book of paper rapidly becomes a doorstop.
 
The Email that I saw suggested that the F9 pilots will get to "merge" into the Republic list by % of seniority, and also be seat and base locked into Denver. Way better than what Southwest was ultimately offering in the end.
 
Except for carrier longevity, earning potential, etc...

Yeah, cause southwest was going to bring all the F9 guys over and make sure they all had jobs. They were going to get a seniority # and furloughed as soon as F9 was closed down. A sandwich and a kick in the ass is worth more than that. Besides, there are more people working at Frontier than the 500 or so pilots and this probably saves those jobs too.
 
Is this going to save F9 or just keep it on life support for a little longer? What is the plan to compete against Southwest and United in Denver?

Could this have just been an opportunity to get a very cheap rate on some airframes, trained pilots and other staff to operate in a diff. market eventually?

Doug Parker said in one of his crew news webcasts that BB was just looking for some security in the event UAL folds he would have a place to put all of his jets.
 
Yeah, Southwest was going to staple the Frontier pilots to the bottom of their list. Sounds kinda bad at the face, but what do you think is better? Get stapled to one of the most desired airlines in the country, or go out of business and drag Republic down with you?

Honestly, for the rest of the airlines, it's probably best this way, Southwest doesn't get the instant boost in Denver, and Frontier, Midwest, and Republic are all eliminated (in time), freeing some more competition.
 
I'd volunteer to be stapled to Southwest's list. I'd go work at Mc'y D's for a while till they called me up. That's just me though.
 
The Email that I saw suggested that the F9 pilots will get to "merge" into the Republic list by % of seniority, and also be seat and base locked into Denver. Way better than what Southwest was ultimately offering in the end.

June 22, 2009


Dear Fellow Pilots:

Frontier (including Holdings, Frontier Airlines, and Lynx) filed documents today with the bankruptcy court supporting a Plan of Reorganization (Plan) to be sponsored by Republic Airways Holdings Inc (Republic.) Republic’s offer begins the “auction phase” of the bankruptcy process that will end on August 11, 2009. During this auction phase other potential investors may submit competing bids for consideration by the court. Absent a better offer from another investor, and if Republic’s Plan is approved, they will acquire 100% of Frontier Airlines Holdings Inc. (Frontier) outright and fund Frontier’s emergence from Chapter 11 bankruptcy. In return Republic will pay $108.75MM, of which $28.75MM will be distributed to the Unsecured Creditors (including FAPA.) This potentially gives the Unsecured Creditors between 9 and 7 cents per each dollar of unsecured claim (depending on the final size of the unsecured claim pool).

Due in large part to our sacrifices and our continued commitment to providing the best service in the airline business, Frontier’s recent turnaround has been remarkable. In normal times, a successful turnaround such as this would no doubt attract significant interest from investors, but unfortunately these are not normal times. Many airlines have reported that the capital markets have their “no access” signs out and there is very little “at risk” money being made available to the industry. Despite innumerable overtures by Frontier management to investment banks, airlines, and hedge funds, Republic has surfaced as the only investor with a serious interest in Frontier, and as such, we must give Republic’s offer, along with its various terms, due consideration since Frontier simply cannot emerge from bankruptcy without receiving a significant cash infusion from a sponsor. The current $40MM DIP loan from Republic matures on December 1, 2009, and without a replacement loan Frontier would likely be forced to wind down its operation, sell its assets, and close the doors.

There are many terms and conditions within the Republic Plan that must be satisfied in return for this investment. Of interest to FAPA Members – the Republic Plan requires changes be made to our CBA including a 3 year extension (to March 2, 2015) of the amendable date and a change to Section 1.F allowing for “unlimited scope relief.” For all employees, the Frontier profit sharing plan will be replaced with a Republic profit sharing plan. Republic’s terms are initial “asks” and not changes that will be casually forced upon us. Republic has indicated that they plan to operate Frontier as a separate fenced off company and not merge seniority lists.

Republic is acting as an investor and has tasked Frontier Management to negotiate on their behalf, so we have begun negotiations over these terms with Frontier management. Once again, untenable circumstances shape our reality: capital market conditions dictate that we cannot simply dismiss these terms outright. We are forced to take a hard look at our circumstances just as we have had to each time concessions have been required of us. If negotiations are successful, these “asks” will become more palatable and still allow our Members and Frontier to move forward.

The CBA remains binding unless/until we agree to acceptable changes or unless/until the court, through contract rejection, forces changes upon us. In order to preserve our rights under the CBA we intend to dispute a breach of the Successorship language (1.H), which requires a successor entity acquiring the Frontier to assume the terms of our CBA in total. Republic is insisting we modify our CBA prior to their acquisition.

“1. This Agreement shall be binding upon any successor or assign of the Company unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended. For the purposes of this Paragraph H, a successor or assign shall be defined as an Entity, which acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of the Company through a single transaction or multi-step, related transactions.
2. No contract or other legally binding commitment involving a successor or assign shall be signed or otherwise entered into unless it is agreed as a material and irrevocable condition of entering into, concluding and implementing such transaction that the successor shall be bound by this Agreement, shall recognize the Association as the representative of the Pilots, and shall assume the employment of the Pilots. "

If we are able to reach an agreement with Republic and ratify changes to the CBA in accordance with what Republic seeks, the grievance will be dropped. If we aren’t able to reach agreement, we have the ability to object to the Republic Plan in court, but Republic has the ability to withdraw their sponsorship if we do not agree to the changes they are demanding.

In order to ensure that Frontier remains viable, our contract survives, and most importantly - that our jobs and futures are as secure as we can make them in these uncertain times, we must look at our situation as dispassionately as we are able. Negotiations between FAPA and Republic have begun and will be on the fast track. If another investor, prior to the deadline of August 10, 2009, makes a competing bid the auction will be held on August 11. Assuming we are successful in negotiating changes that we can live with, we intend to have roadshow style informational meetings starting after the July 4th holiday and prior to a voting period of at least 21 days. Sean Menke and Republic CEO Bryan Bedford have pledged to attend some of these meetings. This is the most important vote of the bankruptcy process and I encourage everyone to attend at least one meeting in order to make an informed decision prior to casting your vote. We will keep you advised of new developments as they occur.

Sincerely,


John Stemmler
President
Frontier Airline Pilots Association
 
John,
Not sure if that was sarcasm or you really think that. I'm assuming that was meant to be read sarcastically.

None, at all, what so ever. I did read something that said that Republic only owns 49% of Frontier, so it won't force an integration, but if they own enough to trigger the merger/acquisition language in the contract, there's no way that Republic can just say "Different companies." As Jason said, the contract is not gray on this matter, nor do I think F9's contract is.

Remember when Skywest tried to buy us? Remember how our MEC told them that they could pound sand if they wanted our scope/merger provisions gone and out of the contract? This is why.
 
Excerpt from Skywest's site:
It appeared the talks broke down over seniority, the ranking of pilots that determines their rights for schedules and protects them if there are layoffs. Kuwitzky said the Southwest pilots' offer was to put Frontier pilots at the bottom of the combined seniority list.

Yikes!
 
Kuwitzky said the Southwest pilots' offer was to put Frontier pilots at the bottom of the combined seniority list.

= pilot unity
 
Back
Top