Frontier chooses Republic

If you're a Frontier employee, this would probably be the better of the two deals. SWA already said they were gonna return some planes, eventually phase out Frontier and then offer SOME of the employees jobs at SWA. If they went with SWA, it would start the time clock on the demise of Frontier. With Republic, well, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. HOPEFULLY, this won't toss a nice glass ceiling on some career expectations. We're already gonna see 190s at 175 rates at a regional thanks to the Midwest deal and 99 seat pay rates. If the Republic guys can get what they should with their next contract, this might not be that bad of a thing. I'm willing to wait and see for the time being.

Then again, I don't really have any other choice.....
 
Well is RAH keeps it's word and keeps F9 operating as a Standalone carrier... I suppose that is better for the pilot group. Remember we're all in this together ;)
 
I will say the way that SWA wanted to deal with the pilots at F9 this is probably going to be best for them. It just seems like SWA only wanted the DEN base and would have tossed the F9 guys out as soon as they could. Lets just hope RAH can get a fair rate for the E190/E175 and start bringing back some decent payrates to the industry.


How are negotiations going? ANY updates from the RAH guys?
 
Oh JEEZ there goes the neighborhood! :sarcasm:

kellwolf said:
If you're a Frontier employee, this would probably be the better of the two deals. SWA already said they were gonna return some planes, eventually phase out Frontier and then offer SOME of the employees jobs at SWA. If they went with SWA, it would start the time clock on the demise of Frontier. With Republic, well, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. HOPEFULLY, this won't toss a nice glass ceiling on some career expectations. We're already gonna see 190s at 175 rates at a regional thanks to the Midwest deal and 99 seat pay rates. If the Republic guys can get what they should with their next contract, this might not be that bad of a thing. I'm willing to wait and see for the time being.

Then again, I don't really have any other choice.....
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As usual, we can thank shortsighted negotiating for this pay rate. I know that compensation is still being worked for the amended contract. That's all I have to say about that...
 
falconvalley said:
As usual, we can thank shortsighted negotiating for this pay rate. I know that compensation is still being worked for the amended contract. That's all I have to say about that...
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Eh, I blame management. Let's face it, they're the real enemy. If you had told me 5 years ago 100 seat airplanes could be flying at the regional level, I'd have said it was a LOOONG shot. Now, if you've got anything less than 76 seats, you're on the way out it seems.....
 
Is this better for the creditors though? Thats what matters in this arena. Doesn't the bankruptcy judge have to sign off on this again, now that there was a new bid? And why would he if RAH is bidding less?
 
SWA failed because they wanted an agreement between the pilots before the deal was done. Get two groups of pilots to agree on a merger in 24 hours? Think again...

Linky
 
kellwolf said:
If you're a Frontier employee, this would probably be the better of the two deals. SWA already said they were gonna return some planes, eventually phase out Frontier and then offer SOME of the employees jobs at SWA. If they went with SWA, it would start the time clock on the demise of Frontier. With Republic, well, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. HOPEFULLY, this won't toss a nice glass ceiling on some career expectations. We're already gonna see 190s at 175 rates at a regional thanks to the Midwest deal and 99 seat pay rates. If the Republic guys can get what they should with their next contract, this might not be that bad of a thing. I'm willing to wait and see for the time being.

Then again, I don't really have any other choice.....
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uh... what do you think will eventually happen? Takeover. Remember with Midwest? The 170 deal was supposed to be temporary flying until Midwest could train their own pilots in them. That didn't last more then a few months before the eventual takeover. At least there will still be a Frontier brand this way but it will be a pseudo regional like Midwest will be. This is all about brand loyalty for the Frontier pilots, not sure if it's the right move. They chose the brand over flying for Southwest, even if it means flying RJs.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Is this better for the creditors though? Thats what matters in this arena. Doesn't the bankruptcy judge have to sign off on this again, now that there was a new bid? And why would he if RAH is bidding less?
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Yes but SWA bid was contingent upon the pilot groups coming to an agreement. I'm starting to think that it may have just been a way for SWA to look through all of F9s books and see what their financials looked like on certain DEN routes.
 
SoCalAprch said:
Yes but SWA bid was contingent upon the pilot groups coming to an agreement. I'm starting to think that it may have just been a way for SWA to look through all of F9s books and see what their financials looked like on certain DEN routes.
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Batman, is that you? ;)

Wouldn't be surprised if this was also a way to kick the price up on Republic. If Frontier's books revealed a weakness, Southwest just reduced Republic's ability to fix it.
 
SoCalAprch said:
Yes but SWA bid was contingent upon the pilot groups coming to an agreement. I'm starting to think that it may have just been a way for SWA to look through all of F9s books and see what their financials looked like on certain DEN routes.
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Did JO get hired at SWA???
 
Firebird2XC said:
Batman, is that you? ;)

Wouldn't be surprised if this was also a way to kick the price up on Republic. If Frontier's books revealed a weakness, Southwest just reduced Republic's ability to fix it.
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Think they pulled a Bob Crandall versus Ron Allen? :)

Ron Allen: We want Pan Am's MIA assets!

Bob Crandall: So do we!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!

Bob Crandall: We'll outbid YOU!!!!

Ron Allen: We'll outbid YOU!!!!!!!!!

Bob Crandall: Take it, chumps! Moo hoo hah!
 
Good! Hopefully Frontier can turn this thing around and run the flying Wal-Mart back out of DEN again. That will take some work, but one can hope.

Then again, I was looking forward to riding in one of these seats with a 350 lb texan's knee firmly planted in my crotch for 3 hours.

This is good for Denver... Still a long way to go to make it completely official in the business world though.
 

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