Freight dog with a four day

Frieght dog with a four day


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Yeah, only 1st year and that's including the bonuses and heath insurance, and hotels and all the other crap they use to inflate the first year pay claims. 2nd year its back to ramen noodles if you are lucky. Most guys I know @JDean3204 @ASpilot2be are bringing in roughly 2K maybe a little over a month. Maybe they see 2,200. Thats before they take out the cost of health insurance and union dues.
Um who uses hotels to inflate pay? Not any place I’ve ever heard of. The QOL benefits alone make it a better job, not to mention the 121 time is looked at better if you ever intend of moving on (don’t know if empire time counts as 121, 135, or 91). You can justify why you’d rather be at your current employer than a regional however you want, but the rest of us aren’t buying the sake oil that it’s 2x what you make at a regional.
 
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Um who uses hotels to inflate pay? Not any place I’ve ever heard of. The QOL benefits alone make it a better job, not to mention the 121 time is looked at better if you ever intend of moving on (don’t know if empire time counts as 121, 135, or 91). You can justify why you’d rather be at your current employer than a regional however you want, but the rest of us aren’t buying the sake oil that it’s 2x what you make at a regional.

Oh no its definitely 2x what a 1st and 2nd year pilot makes. Over the long term the math isn't even remotely close. But it takes more than a couple of years to get to that. Upgrades are around 2-3 years. My understanding is you go from $40 an hour to $70 an hour. Then with a min guarantee $70 is around 63K. At that point you are winning the game. But 1st and 2nd yeah it works in my favor. As I said before I'm still earning the same hour, although 2-4 hours a day vers 6-8 at a regional. So the regional pilot is going to get there quicker.

On the ATR side we pay better too. But only the first few years. 5 years in there is no question the airlines are the way to go.

And we are both 135 and 121.

I'm not saying the job is a cakewalk. The schedule definitely sucks. And it isn't for everyone. But that doesn't mean its only for people who can't go 121. I don't have any criminal history, no DUIs, nothing that would be a problem for a 121 outfit. But i'm not a 121 type. I like my SPIFR. I like that I only have one round trip a day. From a certain point of view I work 2-4 hours a day total. The rest is waiting around. Lots of time to post on JetCareers, play video games or go work out at the gym. For me that works. I'm coming from an industry where my days were 13 hours days or reports and meetings and coding. With million dollar budgets and schedules that were always late and over budget. Imagine having to tap dance in the CPs office 2x a week (Monday and Friday) to explain why you used twice the amount of fuel and took twice as long on your route as planned.

Now I have none of that stress. I wake up throw on a "uniform" without a tie. No traffic and unless I screwed something up I never see my boss. I hadn't talked with my boss for over 2 months until he called last week about my promotion. I fly somewhere screw around until I have to fly back. '

That is worth it to me.
 
Yeah, only 1st year and that's including the bonuses and heath insurance, and hotels and all the other crap they use to inflate the first year pay claims. 2nd year its back to ramen noodles if you are lucky. Most guys I know @JDean3204 @ASpilot2be are bringing in roughly 2K maybe a little over a month. Maybe they see 2,200. Thats before they take out the cost of health insurance and union dues.

True statement. Granted I make about 400-500 extra a month now as a line holder in per diem. That’s meant to be money for food on the road but I just eat cheap or sometimes only eat PB&J’s and top ramen to save that money for bills/savings lol
 
True statement. Granted I make about 400-500 extra a month now as a line holder in per diem. That’s meant to be money for food on the road but I just eat cheap or sometimes only eat PB&J’s and top ramen to save that money for bills/savings lol

That's why I pinged you and @ASpilot2be. You both just started at Horizon in the past year. You would know better than anyone else what 1st year pay is like. Too bad Julia isn't around to get you breakfast every morning. ;) She says hi by the way.
 
You don't know much about my job do you.

We don't fly much. My show time in the morning is between 5 and 6am. Which means I get up between 3 and 4 "AM". I have to have the plane ready to fly 70 minutes before the scheduled departure. Contrary to belief FedEx is rarely on time. Not their fault (Weather, ATC delay, Maintenance) but I spend a LOT of time waiting around in the morning for my plane to be loaded. Lots and LOTS of waiting around which gives me plenty of posting time on JC. We've waited as much as 5 hours in the morning (peak xmas) for the plane to be loaded. So either you sit on the ramp or at some places the van or if we have an office and wait around BSing with the other pilots for your flight to be called.

I am required to supervise the load for obvious reasons. Which means I have to sit at the airplane while they load. Usually in the PWN that means either in the rain, snow or in below freezing temps. I had a couple of mornings last month below zero while I waited out on the ramp for over an hour as the rampers loaded the airplane.

This can take some mornings from show time to departure 4 to 5 hours. Once I get to the outstation where I drop off the cargo I get to sit "most times" usually in a hotel. A lot of routes have two or more stops so you get a couple of hours in between flights. Nearly all our routes are to small towns in BFE. Hell I leave a city that is considered BFE and head to a place even further BFE. So you can imagine there ain't much to do in these smaller towns.

Then I show back up at 3-4 in the afternoon for departure and again wait around for the rampers to load the airplane. I get back between 5:30 and 6:30 "PM".

So I have usually a over 12 hour day, where I am working or "on call" call the entire time. My time isn't mine to do with as I please. It's a full 12+ hour day away from home. Our schedule is 6 days a week although on average we only fly 5 days a week. That leaves me with a 30-45 minute drive home (NLT 7:30PM) with about an hour or two max to screw around before I need to be in bed to get a minimum of 6 hours sleep and start the whole exercise again the next day.

It's an easy job but it isn't a vacation. I am on the clock that entire time. But my actual flight time is usually only 2-3 hours a day. Most of that time is sitting around the airplane (meaning actually AT the airplane) waiting on cargo.

5-6 days a week. So getting a 4 day off is a HUGE DEAL! Yeah it sounds like a utterly miserable job. But I am SPIFR. I'm am lord commander in my aircraft. No annoying pax to deal with. No Captain or FO trying to kill me or holding his/her hands over the flap lever. I wear cargo pants and combat boots to work most days. And can play video games on my laptop in between flights (hell I watched an entire movie 2 months ago waiting on the load). I make 2x as much as the average regional pilot and my time (for the most part) counts the same when I go apply to Southwest to be a "real" commercial pilot ;) (although admittedly with only 2-3 hours a day that poor broke regional pilot is going to get to Southwest minimums before I do) :bang:
That sounds absolutely terrible.
 
If someone worked at a regional 6 days a week they will make a hell of a lot more than you...sooooooo that leads me to believe you get paid crap at mainline FedEx.
 
If someone worked at a regional 6 days a week they will make a hell of a lot more than you...sooooooo that leads me to believe you get paid crap at mainline FedEx.

Yeah, I’ll stick with my $52k ($62k if you add my per-diem) second year regional FO pay instead. For a job that • I wouldn’t take the QOL hit for three times my current pay. Plus I’m on day 6 of 7 off in a row and I usually manage to bid or trade into one 5 to 7 day off block every month.
 
If someone worked at a regional 6 days a week they will make a hell of a lot more than you...sooooooo that leads me to believe you get paid crap at mainline FedEx.

Exactly, I’m on year 2 captain pay and would clear around $160k (not including perdiem) if I picked up enough to fly 6 days a week. But I will never do that because I have a life outside of this job.
 
Most of that time I make 2x as much as the average regional pilot and my time (for the most part) counts the same when I go apply to Southwest to be a "real" commercial pilot ;) (although admittedly with only 2-3 hours a day that poor broke regional pilot is going to get to Southwest minimums before I do) :bang:

I think you're going to be in for a bit of rude awakening if you think Caravan PIC time is going to be viewed equally as RJ PIC time (or even SIC for that matter) when you apply to a major/legacy carrier.
 
You don't know much about my job do you.

We don't fly much. My show time in the morning is between 5 and 6am. Which means I get up between 3 and 4 "AM". I have to have the plane ready to fly 70 minutes before the scheduled departure. Contrary to belief FedEx is rarely on time. Not their fault (Weather, ATC delay, Maintenance) but I spend a LOT of time waiting around in the morning for my plane to be loaded. Lots and LOTS of waiting around which gives me plenty of posting time on JC. We've waited as much as 5 hours in the morning (peak xmas) for the plane to be loaded. So either you sit on the ramp or at some places the van or if we have an office and wait around BSing with the other pilots for your flight to be called.

I am required to supervise the load for obvious reasons. Which means I have to sit at the airplane while they load. Usually in the PWN that means either in the rain, snow or in below freezing temps. I had a couple of mornings last month below zero while I waited out on the ramp for over an hour as the rampers loaded the airplane.

This can take some mornings from show time to departure 4 to 5 hours. Once I get to the outstation where I drop off the cargo I get to sit "most times" usually in a hotel. A lot of routes have two or more stops so you get a couple of hours in between flights. Nearly all our routes are to small towns in BFE. Hell I leave a city that is considered BFE and head to a place even further BFE. So you can imagine there ain't much to do in these smaller towns.

Then I show back up at 3-4 in the afternoon for departure and again wait around for the rampers to load the airplane. I get back between 5:30 and 6:30 "PM".

So I have usually a over 12 hour day, where I am working or "on call" call the entire time. My time isn't mine to do with as I please. It's a full 12+ hour day away from home. Our schedule is 6 days a week although on average we only fly 5 days a week. That leaves me with a 30-45 minute drive home (NLT 7:30PM) with about an hour or two max to screw around before I need to be in bed to get a minimum of 6 hours sleep and start the whole exercise again the next day.

It's an easy job but it isn't a vacation. I am on the clock that entire time. But my actual flight time is usually only 2-3 hours a day. Most of that time is sitting around the airplane (meaning actually AT the airplane) waiting on cargo.

5-6 days a week. So getting a 4 day off is a HUGE DEAL! Yeah it sounds like a utterly miserable job. But I am SPIFR. I'm am lord commander in my aircraft. No annoying pax to deal with. No Captain or FO trying to kill me or holding his/her hands over the flap lever. I wear cargo pants and combat boots to work most days. And can play video games on my laptop in between flights (hell I watched an entire movie 2 months ago waiting on the load). I make 2x as much as the average regional pilot and my time (for the most part) counts the same when I go apply to Southwest to be a "real" commercial pilot ;) (although admittedly with only 2-3 hours a day that poor broke regional pilot is going to get to Southwest minimums before I do) :bang:
When I was a fresh freight puppy we loaded our own planes.
Get off my lawn.
 
I think you're going to be in for a bit of rude awakening if you think Caravan PIC time is going to be viewed equally as RJ PIC time (or even SIC for that matter) when you apply to a major/legacy carrier.
Ding ding ding
 
That is correct unless a flow is setup (there's rumors) even at "mainline" Fedex caravan time isn't counted equally.

It isn't really a flow, but we have an agreement now with FedEx with our ATR pilots. We have lost like 4 ATR guys in the past several months to FedEx.

But it is only for ATR guys...not Caravan.
 
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