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Folks, you can't one day extol the virtues of the Capitalist system and then the next day berate someone that is using one of its profound tenets to his advantage. And it is highly hypocritical because they only reason you are saying something is because it affects your industry.

The OP does not owe anyone any explanation or justification for his actions. No one on here is putting food on his table. And if you won't hire him because of that, so be it. You aren't the only prospective employer in town. This is a high-paying blue collar industry. As a blue collar worker, you sell your skillset to the highest bidder or one that makes fiscal sense. Professionals in the true sense of the word have a professional board not a union. And they aren't trying to fight "the man" to earn a compensation commensurate to their skill set.
For economies of scale to work compensation has to be granted for services rendered. Something like this is a short-term solution that is unsustainable in any real sense. All it does is artificially deflate the value of the same commodity or service another is offering.

He absolutely owes every other up and coming CFI/young pilot an apology because he just Buddy F'd them. Not only does it lower the wage bar but it also lowers the skill-set standards. If your skills are so unrefined that you're giving them away then you don't have any business calling yourself a professional.
 
Folks, you can't one day extol the virtues of the Capitalist system and then the next day berate someone that is using one of its profound tenets to his advantage. And it is highly hypocritical because they only reason you are saying something is because it affects your industry.

The OP does not owe anyone any explanation or justification for his actions. No one on here is putting food on his table. And if you won't hire him because of that, so be it. You aren't the only prospective employer in town. This is a high-paying blue collar industry. As a blue collar worker, you sell your skillset to the highest bidder or one that makes fiscal sense. Professionals in the true sense of the word have a professional board not a union. And they aren't trying to fight "the man" to earn a compensation commensurate to their skill set.
Being a pilot/flight instructor isn't really like a blue collar job in the true sense of the word. I don't know any other trade professions that come anywhere close to the levels of studying, discipline, cost, and the amount training and certification that's required to become a professional pilot. Not to mention the numerous financial and other obstacles aspiring pilots face trying to get into this industry.

Being a professional pilot I guess technically is a trade job, but it doesn't really have the appearance of a trade. It appears more like white collar. Blue collar workers generally tend to avoid reading books and developing their cognitive abilities. White collar workers on the other hand, generally do like reading books and studying. Pilots fall into this category. Blue collar workers never need to know about the fundamentals of instructing and how people learn. It's as if professional pilot is a mixture or a blend between white collar and blue collar. Some professional pilots have deskjob duties/administrative jobs and management roles within an airline/corporate department, etc.

Flight instructors are teachers, not plumbers or carpenters. Quit making it seem as if CFI's don't matter and that the services they offer aren't worthy of compensation. This will just take us back to the 90's.

On the subject of true 'blue collar' jobs, I used to do blue collar jobs. The type of work you do as a blue collar worker is unforgiving on your body. It's hard work physically speaking, and lots of blue collar jobs suck. Many of those types of jobs are dangerous, and safety is not on the minds of a lot of blue collar people. I have seen it first hand many many times. Many have a total disdain and disregard for OSHA regulations. Also, there is little to no cost to get into most trade professions unlike going to college and getting a degree. I don't know ANY blue collar guys offering FREE services to anybody they work for. If anything, many of the more skilled workers are making close to 6 figures or more.

The average blue collar person is making more than your average CFI in this country because people like you choose to lower the bar for everybody. Nicely done man. Tradesmen don't have an incentive to lower the bar and offer services/skill sets for free or at a super low cost. They're not 'building time' the way pilots 'build time.' They're building a bank account and just need to make a living and pay those bills and have some extra money in their pocket for their days off, saving for retirement, vacations, etc. Maybe your not doing what the OP is wanting to do but your obviously encouraging it. Plumbers, electricians, roofers, landscapers, repairmen, etc., don't sell themselves short the way pilots have been doing for so long. And if they do choose to lower the bar and offer cheaper rates, they don't do it as cheap as some pilots would do things for.

Anything outside of aviation typically pays people what they're truly worth, with some exceptions. However, in aviation, you throw an airplane into the picture, and people start cutting eachother's throats to do the job for free or nearly free. All because they want to fill in those columns in the logbook and 'build time.' If we would just STOP encouraging this practice, things would improve. But when we encourage it, people will always be scratching their heads wondering why CFI's don't make anything.
 
For economies of scale to work compensation has to be granted for services rendered. Something like this is a short-term solution that is unsustainable in any real sense. All it does is artificially deflate the value of the same commodity or service another is offering.

He absolutely owes every other up and coming CFI/young pilot an apology because he just Buddy F'd them. Not only does it lower the wage bar but it also lowers the skill-set standards. If your skills are so unrefined that you're giving them away then you don't have any business calling yourself a professional.

I don't know that I can take anything you say serious. After all, you have been in the same room as the OP and know of his career aspiration but never offered him the "Lear" job. But it seems you have seized the opportunity to impugn his character because he is doing what is financially prudent. He does not owe anyone or their mother anything. No one paid for his training or qualification. No CFI or anyone for that matter paved any way for him thus far. As an independent CFI, he is a Small Business Owner and has every right to do what he chooses to do.
If he chooses to give away his services, it is not your business. You weren't going to offer him the Lear job, so why should he listen to you?
 
Being a pilot/flight instructor isn't really like a blue collar job in the true sense of the word. I don't know any other trade professions that come anywhere close to the levels of studying, discipline, cost, and the amount training and certification that's required to become a professional pilot. Not to mention the numerous financial and other obstacles aspiring pilots face trying to get into this industry.

Being a professional pilot I guess technically is a trade job, but it doesn't really have the appearance of a trade. It appears more like white collar. Blue collar workers generally tend to avoid reading books and developing their cognitive abilities. White collar workers on the other hand, generally do like reading books and studying. Pilots fall into this category. Blue collar workers never need to know about the fundamentals of instructing and how people learn. It's as if professional pilot is a mixture or a blend between white collar and blue collar. Some professional pilots have deskjob duties/administrative jobs and management roles within an airline/corporate department, etc.

Flight instructors are teachers, not plumbers or carpenters. Quit making it seem as if CFI's don't matter and that the services they offer aren't worthy of compensation. This will just take us back to the 90's.

On the subject of true 'blue collar' jobs, I used to do blue collar jobs. The type of work you do as a blue collar worker is unforgiving on your body. It's hard work physically speaking, and lots of blue collar jobs suck. Many of those types of jobs are dangerous, and safety is not on the minds of a lot of blue collar people. I have seen it first hand many many times. Many have a total disdain and disregard for OSHA regulations. Also, there is little to no cost to get into most trade professions unlike going to college and getting a degree. I don't know ANY blue collar guys offering FREE services to anybody they work for. If anything, many of the more skilled workers are making close to 6 figures or more.

The average blue collar person is making more than your average CFI in this country because people like you choose to lower the bar for everybody. Nicely done man. Tradesmen don't have an incentive to lower the bar and offer services/skill sets for free or at a super low cost. They're not 'building time' the way pilots 'build time.' They're building a bank account and just need to make a living and pay those bills and have some extra money in their pocket for their days off, saving for retirement, vacations, etc. Maybe your not doing what the OP is wanting to do but your obviously encouraging it. Plumbers, electricians, roofers, landscapers, repairmen, etc., don't sell themselves short the way pilots have been doing for so long. And if they do choose to lower the bar and offer cheaper rates, they don't do it as cheap as some pilots would do things for.

Anything outside of aviation typically pays people what they're truly worth, with some exceptions. However, in aviation, you throw an airplane into the picture, and people start cutting eachother's throats to do the job for free or nearly free. All because they want to fill in those columns in the logbook and 'build time.' If we would just STOP encouraging this practice, things would improve. But when we encourage it, people will always be scratching their heads wondering why CFI's don't make anything.

I recently got a FREE haircut from a barber shop that opened around a place I frequent. And, I was not the only one that got a free haircut. His position as he explained it was simple - that was the cheapest way to advertise his services/break into the market. As a Small Business Owner, he made a decision that was in his best interest. I am sure he did his homework before embarking on this. So do you suggest he should not have given the free service because he might impact the other local/established shops? I have since been back for a "paid" haircut and it appears his business move is paying dividend.

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news; things would not improve. And it will not be because of a freelance CFI making a wise business decision.There are many things wrong with the industry and this CFI isn't the issue.
 
I'm pretty sure I actually know who you are, and if I'm right we've been in the same room more than once.

I've got a job you'd love to have and will be hiring another 500hr FO soon into a Lear.

You are giving away something for free, your integrity. You also gave away any chance had at the job.

Aviation is a small world buddy.

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I don't know that I can take anything you say serious. After all, you have been in the same room as the OP and know of his career aspiration but never offered him the "Lear" job. But it seems you have seized the opportunity to impugn his character because he is doing what is financially prudent. He does not owe anyone or their mother anything. No one paid for his training or qualification. No CFI or anyone for that matter paved any way for him thus far. As an independent CFI, he is a Small Business Owner and has every right to do what he chooses to do.
If he chooses to give away his services, it is not your business. You weren't going to offer him the Lear job, so why should he listen to you?
You're correct, it wouldn't have happened in a million years regardless. As it turns out being of poor character is easy to spot and I don't want to share a trip with that, much less trust my life to it.

This is all contingent upon my assumption being correct of course. If the OP isn't the man-child I'm thinking of the I'll happily take my flogging for that but even if it's not the case he is still showing his lack of professionalism and character by Fing his fellow low-timers.

Any way you slice this pie he's still exhibiting the finest qualities of a used car salesman.

I'm ducking out of here, it's not a place for me.
 
What's sad is that this sort of thing...works. I had fellow instructors at my flight school who did this sort of thing, and other things along this vein. They all moved on before I did and are all farther along in their careers than I am. So people will keep doing it.

But I sleep easier at night.
 
I recently got a FREE haircut from a barber shop that opened around a place I frequent. And, I was not the only one that got a free haircut. His position as he explained it was simple - that was the cheapest way to advertise his services/break into the market. As a Small Business Owner, he made a decision that was in his best interest. I am sure he did his homework before embarking on this. So do you suggest he should not have given the free service because he might impact the other local/established shops? I have since been back for a "paid" haircut and it appears his business move is paying dividend.

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news; things would not improve. And it will not be because of a freelance CFI making a wise business decision.There are many things wrong with the industry and this CFI isn't the issue.
Yeah, if the OP was offering free intro flights highlighting his instructing (barber) skills with the intent of creating paying students with a syllabus outlining a path to success your haircut story may be analogous. In this case the offer looks to be an opportunity to have him enter dual received in your logbook until he hits his magic number, at which point, baby, your on your own.

Get what you pay for, I guess.

So I have a question, there is a local guy, retired Navy I think, who is a CFI. He charges professionals like doctor, lawyers, and people on a rating track, but also likes to help out local people, waitresses, bartenders, teachers, and the like who express interest in flying with free dual as their and his schedule permits.

Is he a horrible human being? He seems like a solid guy.
 
You're correct, it wouldn't have happened in a million years regardless. As it turns out being of poor character is easy to spot and I don't want to share a trip with that, much less trust my life to it.

This is all contingent upon my assumption being correct of course. If the OP isn't the man-child I'm thinking of the I'll happily take my flogging for that but even if it's not the case he is still showing his lack of professionalism and character by Fing his fellow low-timers.

Any way you slice this pie he's still exhibiting the finest qualities of a used car salesman.

I'm ducking out of here, it's not a place for me.

Again, you are a fake. You knew you couldn't share a trip with him, so why did you make your initial post as if he would have been in consideration had it not been for the his initial post.

To the OP, there you have it. You aren't missing much. Do what it in your best interest.
 
Yeah, if the OP was offering free intro flights highlighting his instructing (barber) skills with the intent of creating paying students with a syllabus outlining a path to success your haircut story may be analogous. In this case the offer looks to be an opportunity to have him enter dual received in your logbook until he hits his magic number, at which point, baby, your on your own.

Get what you pay for, I guess.

So I have a question, there is a local guy, retired Navy I think, who is a CFI. He charges professionals like doctor, lawyers, and people on a rating track, but also likes to help out local people, waitresses, bartenders, teachers, and the like who express interest in flying with free dual as their and his schedule permits.

Is he a horrible human being? He seems like a solid guy.
The Navy guy can charge whatever he wants as long as his customers are paying. I wouldn't pay anyone a rate that far exceeds market trend. If someone else wants to pay that, that is on them. It is a free market system.......
 
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I am a gold Seal CFII offering free instruction, you provide or pay for the airplane rental. I am looking to build some time toward my ATP. Currently I fly for a charter company, and available to provide instruction on my days off in the month of September and early October. Please private message me for details. Will do any instruction toward PPL, IR, CPL, CFI or CFII, flight review, IPC or if you want to brush up on some skills with a flight instructor send me a private message to make arrangements. I can provide a plane if you do not have one.
Maybe when you get those hours so you can get that great job you are hoping for there will be a few guys there working for free so you won't get paid either.
 
Hey guys, I'm offering free roofing services on my days off from my full time roofing job. If you don't have a ladder and hammer I can provide one.

Do you see how silly that sounds ?
I have a house, a garage, and a shed come on by lol.
 
I am a gold Seal CFII offering free instruction, you provide or pay for the airplane rental. I am looking to build some time toward my ATP. Currently I fly for a charter company, and available to provide instruction on my days off in the month of September and early October. Please private message me for details. Will do any instruction toward PPL, IR, CPL, CFI or CFII, flight review, IPC or if you want to brush up on some skills with a flight instructor send me a private message to make arrangements. I can provide a plane if you do not have one.
I've started doing free brain surgery. If you've got a headache by now, I'm here to help.
 
Why doesn't the OP just get a job instructing at one of the mills in the southwest and get your 1000 in a year, and be done with it? Gold seal? Hired.

Oh, and a bonus with my plan: Paycheck.
 
I think the OP already was getting a paycheck from his charter job. He wanted to presumably keep his charter job and do this in his spare time.
 
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