For the Teenagers on here.......

cmill said:
I apologize if I made it sound like FE time wasnt worth listing, I was just asking how you valued it compared to PIC time in the civilian world.

If you value your airframe knowledge more than the monkey skill knowledge of the guy mashin' buttons, then I think you need to take a step back. When it comes right down to it, your FEX experience doesnt really count for a whole lot on the civilian side. Hate to say it, but your job has been replaced.

I'm really not trying to be an ass, but 5k hours FEX time and a buck will get you a cup of coffee, maybe less with that attitude. Then again, I'm a 26 year old civilian know nothing with a job you're trying to get to replace me based on the zero experience you have doing my job.

I havent been this big of an ass on here in a long time, but you just rubbed me the wrong way, and even worse, reminded me of a guy that I had to try and get through basic indoc, who happened to be an ex marine, who had the same attitude.
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Guess this is exactly my point. My job as an FE has been replaced... By the pilots out there now doing it.

Having that side of the experience, I believe, is going to help with me with my training and hopefully help me stand out as a candidate, not allow me to steal your job. I'm not expecting, nor want, to roll in and take over. Just not my cup of tea. However, to be told that my experience "and a buck will get me a cup of coffee," is pretty good indicator of the lack of understanding what an FE truly is responsible for.

Your past experiences with military members may not be representative of all military members. Remember, we're arguing over what I would list on a resume and if it will help me stand out, not what I'm proclaiming from the mountaintop as I enter an interview, demanding that I be hired over other candidates.
 
cmill said:
I'm really not trying to be an ass, but 5k hours FEX time and a buck will get you a cup of coffee, maybe less with that attitude. Then again, I'm a 26 year old civilian know nothing with a job you're trying to get to replace me based on the zero experience you have doing my job.
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If you don't mind me asking, what's your experience, hour level, etc?

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I am 20 and got my CFI a few months ago. I didn't feel discriminated against because I knew the DPE pretty well (I had other rides with him). Though, I have also had a hard time convincing students that I can actually fly and know what I am talking about......pros and cons about being a young pilot.

It's an awesome job while in college though!
 
Bushmaster78FS said:
If you don't mind me asking, what's your experience, hour level, etc?

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No problem.
I've done a little bit of everything. Corporate, charter, cargo, just left a job flying float planes (I was a 135 company instructor) to fly a falcon 20. I have around 4000 hours right now, almost all of that is PIC.
 
cmill said:
No problem.
I've done a little bit of everything. Corporate, charter, cargo, just left a job flying float planes (I was a 135 company instructor) to fly a falcon 20. I have around 4000 hours right now, almost all of that is PIC.
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Have you worked with veterans or hired them? Don't let the jarhead cloud your judgement however ...

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Bushmaster78FS said:
Have you worked with veterans or hired them? Don't let the jarhead cloud your judgement however ...

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I've worked with a quite a few vets. For the most part they're great. I may have seen MercFE quote and starting having flashbacks of the bad ones. I have no problem with working with veterans, and I dont think theres really a higher percentage of vets with bad attitudes compared to civilians. I think that the ex military guys just tend to be a lot more uhh "forward" and usually leave a bigger impression, for better or worse.
 
cmill said:
I've worked with a quite a few vets. For the most part they're great. I may have seen MercFE quote and starting having flashbacks of the bad ones. I have no problem with working with veterans, and I dont think theres really a higher percentage of vets with bad attitudes compared to civilians. I think that the ex military guys just tend to be a lot more uhh "forward" and usually leave a bigger impression, for better or worse.
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Can't argue that point... We do tend to "impress" upon people one way or the other.
 
Remember kiddies you have to time build before you do anything else, so it doesn't matter what airlines, cooperate, or freight companies are hiring right now if you're years away. Enjoy the ride, and remember we never ever see tomorrow, the only day we ever see is today, so stop, smell the roses, have fun, and don't just hang out with people in the industry. At the end of the day we're all chasing a job, there's more to life you can't neglect in pursuit of your goals.
 
cmill said:
BTW, didnt mean to be such a delta bag, that was quite a bit of crown talking last night. ;)
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I was about to ask where you worked so I'd mark that place off my list in the future but I can see it's not necessary. At this time, some of us vets don't have enough flight experience but you can imagine we are bringing table good work ethics, humility, dependable character traits and are eager to get that flight experience through hard work.

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Bushmaster78FS said:
I was about to ask where you worked so I'd mark that place off my list in the future but I can see it's not necessary. At this time, some of us vets don't have enough flight experience but you can imagine we are bringing table good work ethics, humility, dependable character traits and are eager to get that flight experience through hard work.

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Hey, im not enough of an ass to say that this person was like this, so they must all be like that. I appreciate everyone that has served, and I would do my damnedest to make sure they can get a job. Unfortunately, an ass is an ass no matter where they come from. I would never base that judgement on something that someone posted on an internet forum, though.
 
I fully agree. I got to a regional at 19 flying turbo props but didn't rush it. Anyone who knows me here knows I enjoyed the journey to this point, and am still having fun to this day.

Don't rush, airplane will be there tomorrow. Also, don't give up your social life. Luckily I don't have any friends so this wasn't an issue.
 
cmill said:
Hey, im not enough of an ass to say that this person was like this, so they must all be like that. I appreciate everyone that has served, and I would do my damnedest to make sure they can get a job. Unfortunately, an ass is an ass no matter where they come from. I would never base that judgement on something that someone posted on an internet forum, though.
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I agree with you, there are quite a few asses I came across during my service. They get away by simply pulling rank but in civilian world I can guarantee no one is locking me up...

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cficollegeguy said:
I am 20 and got my CFI a few months ago. I didn't feel discriminated against because I knew the DPE pretty well (I had other rides with him). Though, I have also had a hard time convincing students that I can actually fly and know what I am talking about......pros and cons about being a young pilot.

It's an awesome job while in college though!
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I got my CFI job when I was 20 as well... no need to convince the students you can actually fly- that will evidence itself and they will see it! Focus on being the best instructor and pilot that you can while passing that along to them.

It's amazing how much you learn teaching the first few months- very steep learning curve.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Remember kiddies you have to time build before you do anything else, so it doesn't matter what airlines, cooperate, or freight companies are hiring right now if you're years away. Enjoy the ride, and remember we never ever see tomorrow, the only day we ever see is today, so stop, smell the roses, have fun, and don't just hang out with people in the industry. At the end of the day we're all chasing a job, there's more to life you can't neglect in pursuit of your goals.
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You can't take 4 hot Asian models flying if you're at ATP.
 
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