Flying IFR in uncontrolled airspace without any clearance?

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woutlaw said:
Ahhh, that's right. I sent a guy on an instrument check ride and he got that same scenario. I couldn't remember if it was Bill Sr. or Roberts.

Sr. does love the compass and the ADF. I didn't have to walk around the room explaining the compass errors during my II ride with Bill, thankfully but I'd been prepped pretty well on what to say.

"Tell me about the compass:" It's your best friend in the airplane Bill, it's the only thing that will actually tell you where North is.

"Tell me about the ADF:" Brilliant invention Bill! It always points to the station, unlike those pesky VORs.

Sr's a hoot and pretty sharp. I really enjoyed both rides I wound up doing with him.
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The other one I hear Sr. likes is "tell me about the clock that is required"

I have done a number of rides with John and my initial CFI was with Mike Anderson. He was a great guy too. We have access to some pretty good DPE's around here!
 
Re: Flying IFR in uncontrolled airspace without any clearanc

1.) 91.13 can be thrown at you for anything if the feds really want to.

2.) Think of it this way. When you depart from an airport that is G up to 700 your flight plan doesn't start until you pick it up. You technically don't pick it up until entering class E controlled airspace. When you get cleared for release you aren't being cleared for takeoff you are being cleared into the controlled airspace above the G airspace. I can be a total fool and depart into IFR conditions 200 OVC and 1 mile and stay in the G airspace and pick up my IFR clearance in the air. Is this smart? Absolutely not but I am pretty sure that is not the discussion.

Sorry if this was answered already didn't feel like reading through the whole thingy.
 
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jhugz said:
...didn't feel like reading through the whole thingy.
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Re: Flying IFR in uncontrolled airspace without any clearanc

jhugz said:
1.) 91.13 can be thrown at you for anything if the feds really want to.

2.) Think of it this way. When you depart from an airport that is G up to 700 your flight plan doesn't start until you pick it up. You technically don't pick it up until entering class E controlled airspace. When you get cleared for release you aren't being cleared for takeoff you are being cleared into the controlled airspace above the G airspace. I can be a total fool and depart into IFR conditions 200 OVC and 1 mile and stay in the G airspace and pick up my IFR clearance in the air. Is this smart? Absolutely not but I am pretty sure that is not the discussion.

Sorry if this was answered already didn't feel like reading through the whole thingy.
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That part was brought up and was part of the one case Mark mentioned where action was taken against an individual.
The other scenario that was brought up is that it is possible in some parts of the country to operate the entire time, legally (Nav aids, ground clearance, etc), IFR with no flight plan nor talking to anyone in class G airspace. I gave the one example in New Mexico where it is possible to do so at 13,000' MSL. There are other places in the country where it is not only possible to do so, but it is probably the only way for a GA airplane to fly IFR.
 
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