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ready2fly said:
Yes. Apparently, this particular FA has been "banned" from two bases, yet this persons CONSTANT threats of legal action has the company scared to remove this person from duty alltogether.

Believe me, it's always a volitile situation when this FA is part of your crew. We've all been briefed to ONLY answer this FA's questions with short, direct, answers and to NEVER ask any "personal" questions like "How was your night?" or "How are you today?" or "Where are you from?" or "Did you sleep well?"...these such questions have frequently been met with Article 32 filings by this FA against many, MANY crewmembers for "invasion of privacy.
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Shame on AE for allowing this bad behavior to continue. What's to stop other FAs from seeing her getting away with it and doing it themselves? Not that it's an excuse, but is she related to someone or is she screwing someone? For a company to run scared because they're afraid of a lawsuit is a total cop-out. Terrible precedent they're setting, I'm afraid. :mad:
 
Qgar said:
Odd and sad. I know people don't get fired the first time there's a complaint about them, but this seems like a festering wound. :rolleyes:
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Very much so. It's still problematic- dealing with cleaning up after such a crewmember is always a pain in the neck and wastes company time and resources. Cohesiveness is key in a crew. Backdooring the chain of command by abusing a legal grievance process ruins it for everybody.

Leadership is a difficult art with endless complexity. Seggy's original post emphasizes a key point. As a leader, the Captain has a very difficult job, and a little additional awareness of that fact by other people involved would definitely grease the gears.
 
Qgar said:
Shame on AE for allowing this bad behavior to continue. What's to stop other FAs from seeing her getting away with it and doing it themselves? Not that it's an excuse, but is she related to someone or is she screwing someone? For a company to run scared because they're afraid of a lawsuit is a total cop-out. Terrible precedent they're setting, I'm afraid. :mad:
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Exactly. It's a damned disaster.. and we're stuck with it. C'est la vie.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Exactly. It's a damned disaster.. and we're stuck with it. C'est la vie.
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Sounds to me like a letter to the Air Carrier Office about the matter may be the answer. If one can not get the situation addressed through normal and reasonable channels, there are other options.
 
I get attitude from a ramper at least once a week over broken headsets. Says in the book that if the headset is broken, the flight crew needs to be briefed PRIOR TO PUSH and hand signals may be used. I'm fine with hand signals, but it's the briefing they normally skip. Get all paperwork, passengers on board, 5 minutes to departure, close the door. Ready to push and the ramper is miming the "headset's broke" signal. Assuming they just don't start right off with the hand signals. Then they get mad when I open the door (which blocks us back in and makes the flight late now) to go over hand signals. Probably wouldn't be that much of an issue if most of our guys actually followed the procedure rather than just going with the flow to get to SHV and back so they can get their Lenny's for lunch 2 minutes faster.....
 
Is it bad that I've just stopped caring? If they want to treat me like crap, they can go ahead. As long as the paycheck clears every 2 weeks, fine. I probably get about the same amount of respect from my coworkers and the public at the airport as does the electric "scuse' da cart" driver. That's OK, I'm obese and socially inept so I probably wouldn't respect me either :) What I won't tolerate is treating my crew bad though.....say what you want to me, but don't take it out on my FO or flight attendant.

What these "attitudes" at work effectively do for me is lower the financial threshold at which I will continue to perform this job.
 
Seggy said:
I always enjoy facilitating good CRM between all parties involved and those who I have flown with on here can attest to that.

However, a friend, who works at a regional airline was discussing that at his airline they have dispatchers, flight attendants, crew schedulers, mechanics, gate agents, etc., who think they are all above the PIC authority. This is a common theme when talking to another member on here on the phone a few times as we discussed quite in length about the 'erosion of the fourth stripe'.

My friend was bored on an overnight and created the attached flow chart so he can remember how it really goes and sent it around. Thought I would share it!
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Looks like my avatar in that pick
 
Orange Anchor said:
Sounds to me like a letter to the Air Carrier Office about the matter may be the answer. If one can not get the situation addressed through normal and reasonable channels, there are other options.
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Perhaps. I have yet to actually run afoul of this individual, so I suppose I'll let the aggrieved handle it. If that changes, I may do this.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Perhaps. I have yet to actually run afoul of this individual, so I suppose I'll let the aggrieved handle it. If that changes, I may do this.
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I've not "run afoul" but I have flown with this individual. I was forewarned so I knew what to say and what not to say.

To Orange Anchor: As Firebird pointed out, the company is quite aware. However, this persons CONSTANT threat (and as I've been told, pursuit) of legal action against the airline and other crewmembers, has the company "handling with kid gloves" as well.

There apparently is some bi-polar issues afoot and medication has been perscribed. WHOA unto the crew that flies with this person when they either don't take the medicine or the meds are wearing off.
 
ready2fly said:
I've not "run afoul" but I have flown with this individual. I was forewarned so I knew what to say and what not to say.

To Orange Anchor: As Firebird pointed out, the company is quite aware. However, this persons CONSTANT threat (and as I've been told, pursuit) of legal action against the airline and other crewmembers, has the company "handling with kid gloves" as well.

There apparently is some bi-polar issues afoot and medication has been perscribed. WHOA unto the crew that flies with this person when they either don't take the medicine or the meds are wearing off.
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WOW!!!
 
ready2fly said:
To Orange Anchor: As Firebird pointed out, the company is quite aware. However, this persons CONSTANT threat (and as I've been told, pursuit) of legal action against the airline and other crewmembers, has the company "handling with kid gloves" as well.

There apparently is some bi-polar issues afoot and medication has been perscribed. WHOA unto the crew that flies with this person when they either don't take the medicine or the meds are wearing off.
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It appears the company would be in violation of its own policy and procedures in allowing this rogue to dictate the conduct of the flt. And if they are going to tolerate such behavior it seems it would become an issue for the pilots' union/association to advise the company that IF there is an incident of such gravity during a trip, that FA WILL BE REMOVED AT THE NEXT STATION. Not the next crew base but THE NEXT STATION. Then it becomes an issue of $$ and sometimes that is a necessary card to play.

Quite frankly, I am astonished such dysfunctional behavior and supervision is allowed to happen, much less to allow it to continue. (Some one must have pictures, films or phone recordings of someone in the management chain)

(A different avenue which I do not recommend but merely mention is to give the story to some local 6PM talking head and let them have it. "These evening, an eyewitness news 3 exclusive from our crack investigative reporter, Danny Dingdong. "The Bipolar Cabin Wacko Ruling the Skies at Wimpy's Airline!!"
 
Orange Anchor said:
It appears the company would be in violation of its own policy and procedures in allowing this rogue to dictate the conduct of the flt. And if they are going to tolerate such behavior it seems it would become an issue for the pilots' union/association to advise the company that IF there is an incident of such gravity during a trip, that FA WILL BE REMOVED AT THE NEXT STATION. Not the next crew base but THE NEXT STATION. Then it becomes an issue of $$ and sometimes that is a necessary card to play.
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We have had captains who have done just that, however, it was generally at the crew base.

Quite frankly, I am astonished such dysfunctional behavior and supervision is allowed to happen, much less to allow it to continue. (Some one must have pictures, films or phone recordings of someone in the management chain)
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LOL! Believe me, O.A...... we are too!! It's mind boggling.

Here's another story regarding this individual:

The trip ended and this person had no way of getting home as this persons car was in disrepair. So, the individual asked the captain if he could give this individual a ride home. The captain agreed. About 30 minutes into the drive in the general direction, the captain asked where to turn next. The exchange went something like this:

Captain: Okay, XXXX, where do we go from here?

Employee: I'm not telling you!!

Captain: XXXX, how am I to drive you home if you don't tell me where you live?

Employee: THAT IS NONE OF YOUR *@%$# BUSINESS!!! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK ME WHERE I LIVE!!!

Captain: But YOU asked ME for a ride home!

Employee: But that doesn't give you the right to KNOW where I live!!!

Yadda, yadda, yadda.....sound of brakes.

Captain: Okay...get out.

Employee filed a greivance against the captain...NOT because he threw the individual out....but because he had the nerve to ask where this person lived.

Oh...the stories go on and on and on and on.
 
This thread gets better and better! However, YGTBSM..... Are you SURE she's not someone's relative, lover OR as OA asked has damaging photos of someone high up the food chain? How does an airline keep an obviously mentally unbalanced employee around? Oh and that CA missed his chance...he should have run her over!
 
Qgar said:
This thread gets better and better! However, YGTBSM..... Are you SURE she's not someone's relative, lover OR as OA asked has damaging photos of someone high up the food chain? How does an airline keep an obviously mentally unbalanced employee around? Oh and that CA missed his chance...he should have run her over!
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I was once asked to give a lengthy dissertation on the nature of turbulence and cloud formation. I gave a passable answer at best. I was told this was to be conveyed telephonically to said individual's mother.

We have some colorful crew members here at the Beagle. Even on my worst day with the wildest possible hair up my ass and my head with it, I cannot hold a candle to some of the weird characters we've accumulated here.

The notorious 'Captain PA' is widely known. To date, this individual is the only Captain I have flown with that inspires FAs to pull me aside on the jet bridge between legs to ask what the hell is wrong with him.

Like "Three Cups" at another place.. I'm sure every group has their characters. But sometimes, you're just forced to wonder.
 
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