Flight delays pile up Monday after FAA budget cuts

meyers9163 said:
Haha yeah it's all one mans fault in Mr. Boehner....... You're too smart to imply something so ignorant.......
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Honestly, I go back and forth on Boehner. On the one hand, I feel sorry for the guy. I know he's not the insane radical that he's forced to pretend to be. He's just stuck with a bunch of crazy people in his caucus that he has to appease. On the other hand, though, a true leader should be able to make at least some headway with getting them in line. He's been a massive failure as a Speaker.
 
Seggy said:
If you ventured out of the lav more, you would have noticed post 20 of this thread http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/u-s-airways-american-suing-faa.173662/...


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Oh you and your snarky comments...cute.

I saw that, but your options are either give people 11 unpaid days off or cut salaries across the board. Both have the same outcome, pay wise, but at least with the days off you would actually have days off.



ATN_Pilot said:
Wow.
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amorris311 said:
That's BOLD!
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Which part? The "no job should ever be secure"?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You're the one who brought it up, so how 'bout you explain why it's a bad thing for people to feel secure in their livelihoods?
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Because things happen. 9/11 happens, budget cuts happen, bad job performance happens, company strategy shifts happen. To think that things will always stay the same is naive, at best. To think that ones job will never be touched is dangerous thinking, IMO.



Seggy said:
Especially when job security relates to a just safety culture and enhanced safety.
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Seems they are handling that aspect OK with their flow control.
 
pullup said:
Because things happen. 9/11 happens, budget cuts happen, bad job performance happens, company strategy shifts happen. To think that things will always stay the same is naive, at best. To think that ones job will never be touched is dangerous thinking, IMO.
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Companies should prepare for bad times. I hoard cash reserves in my business so I never have to worry about laying off an employee. Getting rid of someone for poor job performance is one thing. Getting rid of them because you weren't smart enough to prepare for a temporary bad situation is quite another. If you take care of your employees and they don't worry about their job the second the economy takes a hit, the return on investment that they bring will be far better than any savings you could achieve by layoffs or furloughs.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Companies should prepare for bad times. I hoard cash reserves in my business so I never have to worry about laying off an employee. Getting rid of someone for poor job performance is one thing. Getting rid of them because you weren't smart enough to prepare for a temporary bad situation is quite another. If you take care of your employees and they don't worry about their job the second the economy takes a hit, the return on investment that they bring will be far better than any savings you could achieve by layoffs or furloughs.
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I agree, however there comes a parting line where that is just not sustainable any more. What if another housing crash occurred that lasted 2+ yrs. You have enough cash for 1.5 yrs...would you keep your employees on, paying them when the demand isn't there? Ideally, yes, realistically, no.



Seggy said:
Which is hurting private industry.

And, you still missed the point of what a just safety culture is.
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I know what a just safety culture is, I guess I am missing your point though.
 
pullup said:
I agree, however there comes a parting line where that is just not sustainable any more. What if another housing crash occurred that lasted 2+ yrs. You have enough cash for 1.5 yrs...would you keep your employees on, paying them when the demand isn't there? Ideally, yes, realistically, no.
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Yes, I keep enough cash on hand that I would be able to weather a multi-year severe downturn without having to worry about any spending cuts, let alone pay cuts or layoffs. There's not much that I agree with Southwest management about. But one thing that they get right is that making your employees feel that their jobs are the safest jobs on planet Earth and they never have to worry about pay cuts or layoffs leads to stellar employee performance and loyalty.
 
Alright seriously. Can anyone find the an airline that can tell their reserves to go home, tell one tenth of their employees to stay home and still maintain their schedule? Oh hey, no FA's, there is one gate agent serving three gates, and two guys are loading bags and my FO is at home. BRB while I go check in a few pax and sling some bags. I'll do the preflight paperwork as I give the pax the safety brief. :bang:
 
ATN_Pilot said:
No, the blame is shared. Democrats do need to offer real solutions to the problems with the social safety net. But the majority of the blame is certainly with the Republicans.
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Hmmmm, the sequester was Obama's idea in the first (or a least one of his geniuses in the White House), the Republicans went along with it, Obama signed it, and both parties kicked the can down the road allowing Obama (or one of his geniuses in the White House) to use the Sequester to enact cuts to maximize pain for his political gain.

But the majority of the blame is with the Republicans. Um, yeah right.

It's pure petulance on Obama's part, right up there with a 4 year old having a hissy fit in the cereal isle, and about as subtle.
 
genot said:
Alright seriously. Can anyone find the an airline that can tell their reserves to go home, tell one tenth of their employees to stay home and still maintain their schedule? Oh hey, no FA's, there is one gate agent serving three gates, and two guys are loading bags and my FO is at home. BRB while I go check in a few pax and sling some bags. I'll do the preflight paperwork as I give the pax the safety brief. :bang:
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Completely agree. Whoever doesn't, needs to pull their head out of the sand.
 
pullup said:
Because things happen. 9/11 happens, budget cuts happen, bad job performance happens, company strategy shifts happen. To think that things will always stay the same is naive, at best. To think that ones job will never be touched is dangerous thinking, IMO.






Seems they are handling that aspect OK with their flow control.
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I'm sure landing half the worlds currently airborne air traffic ASAP in an unprecedented measure was no biggie that day. You clearly have a better handle on ATC than I.
 
genot said:
I'm sure landing half the worlds currently airborne air traffic ASAP in an unprecedented measure was no biggie that day. You clearly have a better handle on ATC than I.
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If you aren't aware, I think what he is saying is 9/11 was the catalyst that started the huge paycuts at the pilot level.
 
wheelsup said:
If you aren't aware, I think what he is saying is 9/11 was the catalyst that started the huge paycuts at the pilot level.
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Its also why ATC has staffed to normal and not peak levels. We've taken hits too. Your favored road to go private ATC didn't exactly go so when well they cut pay during the IWR's. At first it was all like, hey come work a hub. There is no extra pay you'll work 6 days a week, you'll get divorced, never see a vacation or time off. Now believe it or not there wasn't a rush to go to the hubs. Crazy I know.

Believe it or not that didn't work so well.

Shiny Jet Syndrome > Shiny Scope Syndrome I suppose?
 
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