Flight delays pile up Monday after FAA budget cuts

I did notice some ridiculous unnecessary separation on approach to FLL tonight. VFR and a 30 mile final with 10 miles space.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
What's safe in Alaska is not safe in Texas. Or so his POI thinks...
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We fly in the Northwest as well. My last company, a scheduled 135 op who flies throughout most of the states can also fly VFR. There was even VFR only routes.
And I assure you we don't do anything that wouldn't be safe anywhere else. In fact this is the most conservative flying I've ever done.
 
DPApilot said:
I did notice some ridiculous unnecessary separation on approach to FLL tonight. VFR and a 30 mile final with 10 miles space.
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I don't see the problem with that in FLL with their current configuration and then the staffing cuts.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
What's safe in Alaska is not safe in Texas. Or so his POI thinks...
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The great thing is the POI is nowhere near any of our operations... We also follow 135 regs with non-revenue legs as well. I'm told this is to remove any temptation when it comes to weather minimums and such.
 
Jet said:
Well I understand the concept but my point is I saw plenty of fudge packers. Anotherwords, I flew the same route I always fly and even recognized the same controllers, checked into the same centers, departure, approach, tower and ground they were not saturated. In fact it was so quiet on all the freaks that ATC could have easily packed double the fudge or planes that were sitting on the ground waiting to be released.
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I don't think you'd ever hear a difference on the radio, all the workable positions are still going to be staffed. The problem is that, with controllers on furlough, cancellation of overtime, sick leave hits, and the already short staffing of many facilities, facilities won't be able to split sectors off that are normally split. Instead of having 2 or 3 controllers working an area during peak times, you may just have 1. Pilots wouldn't hear anything different, the traffic is still split up among many frequencies and the overall traffic load is probably similar, but it could present a much higher workload situation for the fewer controllers.

Flow control will hopefully be intelligently implemented to avoid saturating the controllers while minimizing delays.
 
tiredcfi said:
The great thing is the POI is nowhere near any of our operations... We also follow 135 regs with non-revenue legs as well. I'm told this is to remove any temptation when it comes to weather minimums and such.
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Considering NRFOs are huge opportunities for misbehavior (410 it up, man!) observing all the regular rules just makes sense and saves you from having to know more than one way of operating...


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"We were told that due to budget cuts and staffing that we had to remain clear of class C and B airspace and that any flight plans which penetrated the airspace would be denied no matter what, they also denied us any flight following services whatsoever."

Kinda seems like a temper tantrum to me.
 
Cav said:
Probably put up my feet and have a beer while I enjoyed a nice summer day.
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And while you are doing that, how do you think the operation would run, if mandatory overtime was already in place BEFORE they gave you a day off without pay?
 
Cav said:
The delays are 10% budget cuts and 90% controllers stomping their feet.
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You guys lumping all controllers into one group and questioning the seeming lack of traffic that would necessitate drastic flow are missing the fact that there are several parties "working" on the problem.

The SCC, of which someone posted a picture. TMU for each center. The supervisors between centers talking to each other and deciding restrictions. The tower calls approach and says X miles in trail because we don't have enough staff to man all the ground positions; approach calls center and says no more arrivals. The center controller has to hold planes, and when asked why: "..."

It's a lot of interrelated reasons. A few controllers may be stomping their feet, but it's the links in the chain hitting each other that creates the situation. Communication is sometimes lacking.
 
Seggy said:
How would you feel if you were given eleven unpaid days of work between now and September?
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Suppose they could make it a real furlough and give the most junior guys zero hours and a real furlough, displace, etc.......... This to me is an incorrect term to attach to this.......
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Let's see how long it takes for public pressure to bring Boehner to his knees. I'm betting less than two weeks.
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Haha yeah it's all one mans fault in Mr. Boehner....... You're too smart to imply something so ignorant.......

Btw you enjoy your guns no? hmmmmm
 
pullup said:
So chop their salaries across the board. Sorry, no job should be secure, ever.
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If you ventured out of the lav more, you would have noticed post 20 of this thread http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/u-s-airways-american-suing-faa.173662/...

Since no other controller has chimed in...

Controllers took a 33% cut in the pay bands from 2006 to 2010. For already certified controllers it was essentially a pay freeze, for trainees at the time it was a true 33% pay cut. Those trainees haven't seen a legitimate length of service raise since they've been hired to this day 7 years later. I get what you're saying, but we've already given more than anyone in the public sector.
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