Fatal crash at PDK

Scott did an absolutely fantastic job announcing that airshow. Probably the best airshow announcing I've ever heard. I was away from the speakers when it happened at the Dekalb PD display. There was a 12ish year old with his parents next to me watching it. "That guy died, didn't he daddy?" His dad handled it very well and told him to say a prayer for the pilot and his family.

After watching the videos from a few different angles, I'm really thinking this was a structural or flight control failure.
 
Springer said:
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Don't leave us hanging!

On a side note, Gary Ward confirmed that he didn't realize that Greg had crashed- just noticed that he stopped communicating on the radio and didn't know why.

Just an extreme coincidence that the loops were done right above where Greg and his plane came to rest.
 
I didn't see anything on beechtalk except for more speculation. One poster claims that the rolls on the down line before the impact were not planned and supposes that the pilot coming out of the roll out of position led to an accelerated stall when correcting. Also, someone else's friend's wife will no longer fly in GA aircraft after watching the video of the crash. It has taken a turn into personal freedoms and government overreach but is still short of any mentions of Hitler or the Nazis.
 
uncreative said:
I didn't see anything on beechtalk except for more speculation. One poster claims that the rolls on the down line before the impact were not planned and supposes that the pilot coming out of the roll out of position led to an accelerated stall when correcting. Also, someone else's friend's wife will no longer fly in GA aircraft after watching the video of the crash. It has taken a turn into personal freedoms and government overreach but is still short of any mentions of Hitler or the Nazis.
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I was kind of figuring rampant speculation would devolve into that.
 
What a wacko. What's the correlation between a Pitts maneuvering at low altitude versus riding in a Bonanza?


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For those that do acro, interesting comments by airshow pilot Doug Rozendaal regarding snaps on the downline:

"I too knew Greg, and I am not supposing what happened, because I do not know, and I am not speculating... I am the chair of the ICAS (International Council of Air Shows) Safety Committee so I will learn a lot about this accident in good time.

What I do know is this, there have been several airshow accidents involving rolling maneuvers, especially snap-rolls, on a down-line.

Initially the maneuver starts on a 45 degree down-line and as the rolls progress the down-line gets steeper, and consequently shorter, and so the room for recovery decreases, and the room required for recovery increases, and the results are tragic.

A Cuban-8 is one of the safest maneuvers in the business. It is easy to perform moves from low to higher, and provides lots of options. Adding multiple rolls on the down-line make it one of the most dangerous in our industry....

In the airshow business, snaps on a down-line are high on that list... If you have a friend in the business who does snap rolls on a down-line, near the surface, ask them to stop....

Watch the old timers. If you see them doing this, they will recover way up high. That is how they got to be an old timer...".
 
Excellent input from Doug.

I implemented a timer for CFR for on-fire high speed abort situations tonight with my first simulator since Greg's accident. Crews have no clue the time compression that happens- they are calling for CFR on the radio when they are barely scurrying out to the trucks. I've put in a suggestion for a timer and real world application of no shiite aborts to the powers that be.

30 seconds before the first water got sprayed on Greg's plane was when my crew tonight was asking for a FLIR look at their engines and brakes.

We had a talk.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Excellent input from Doug.

I implemented a timer for CFR for on-fire high speed abort situations tonight with my first simulator since Greg's accident. Crews have no clue the time compression that happens- they are calling for CFR on the radio when they are barely scurrying out to the trucks. I've put in a suggestion for a timer and real world application of no shiite aborts to the powers that be.

30 seconds before the first water got sprayed on Greg's plane was when my crew tonight was asking for a FLIR look at their engines and brakes.

We had a talk.
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Yup. We can't instantly morph from the station to the scene. And, not all trucks have FLIR. Often, it's just a visual of "they're smoking or not", or "they're on fire or not", and if able, a temp reading. Depending on Airbus or Boeing, each have different recommendations for cooling.

Curiously, why would the crew ask for a FLIR look at their engines? Chances are, the engines are hot. :D. Now, visual of fire? Sure.
 
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