FAA Revising ATP Regs

No, you're just a troll. You post a message getting everyone worked up claiming to have spoken to some vague nameless person at "the FAA" and they've given you some sort of secret information. Again, please hold your breath.
 
No, you're just a troll. You post a message getting everyone worked up claiming to have spoken to some vague nameless person at "the FAA" and they've given you some sort of secret information. Again, please hold your breath.
It is what it is and I know Who I spoke with. I don't need your approval or anyone else's to validate my story or not. I don't need you to believe it or not. It is the truth. I'm not into starting baseless rumors or getting people worked up. If you don't believe it's fine - personally I could care less what you believe. I came on here and shared information with fellow jcers. Everyone is allowed to draw their own conclusions including you. Now the ARC I was referencing was amended 4-11-2014. The Colgan survivors are up in arms because of some of the people name to the committee. One thing that you have to admit is the FAA is looking into the rule -when and if they change it we will all see. but since you have an insider's view maybe you can tell us since you posted the original but not the amended. Just the musings of a "mental midget".
 
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Look how self righteous you are.

Let's see the other side of your logic. It took me two years to get my private. Doing it the same way you are so proud of doing things....paying for it on my own. Oh and I started this when I was 18. I got my four yr degree in something totally outside of aviation. I must be a shining star in your eyes for that. Then it took me another 3 years before I started instructing. That was spent getting all my other ratings and selling cars.... Ya know, building a side job as you say. Fast forward to now, I'm still instructing.

While my friend who has been in the regionals for 5 years now has prospects of getting on with a mainline carrier. Yeah he has debt but it was the same amount as me. He has a four yr degree. Difference is, he spent money to make this career a reality while I did it your way. I've literally passed up 5 years in seniority doing it your way. That being said, just because YOU have the funds to do what your doing, you'll still be adding to the problem when you go to the airlines. You'll still be taking a patchy and when your complaining then too, you'll look back and realize that you may have had an opportunity to speed thing a up a bit. All the while, the people you thought you where better than because they put themselves in debt, as you say, will be looking at mainline jobs while you had just gotten on to your regional of choice.

You mention taking a job for a good salary and not some regional job. Here's some food for thought. After you have 1500 hours, you'll most likely have very little multi, if any and at best 500 hours of dual given. If you actually do all your time in a 152 as you say, the chances of having instrument time being actual, will be slim to none. Who's gonna hire you now? Not much...

There are three instructors that have held out at my flight school for corporate jobs because they don't want to go to a regional. They are all running into the same problem. High total time and high multi time and no turbine time. No one wants to hire them. Just food for thought.

My point to this rant is nothing against you, it's against the attitude you project saying how you think your way is such a great way to do things. When the truth is it's just a different way that has very strong pros but also some very big cons. That is all.

I am a big proponent of paying as you go and enjoying the journey. I commend you for doing that. It's smart financially. However, someone who wants to do this for a career needs to realize that the more time they take getting the quals they need, someone else is filling their seat. The truth hurts and so does the pay. However one has to do what they need to do if they want to see somewhat of a solid career whether it's for 121 or corporate. There are people who made your plan work and they had a bit of luck with timing ad or meeting people at the right place and the right time.

At the end of the day, I do honestly praise you for your way. That's what I did. It's the smartest way financially!!! Keep it up! Keep us posted of your progress as well and spread your love of flying with someone new!

Not trying to be self righteous.. sorry if it came off that way.. Just trying to let people know of other routes that are available.. Reduce their leverage over you and you will be in control of your career and your life.. Not them. There is a reason they get away with what they do today, and to me it's nothing short of disgusting. Nobody should be required to start out in the hole, add to that a joke 20k gross salary for the job they do requiring the responsibility it does. It's pure BS. And about the seniority thing.. that's perfectly fine. The 401k I was able to build in my 20s since I wasn't on foodstamp wages will more than make up for the longer amount of time it takes me to get to a major airline.. Compound interest over 30+ years will help me WAY more than a few years at a higher income when I'm already 50+. Debt and poverty wages prevent you from investing at the very time you should be going all in. I had no one guiding me.. I figured this all out on my own, and I'm just trying to share the light and hope that someone younger is reading this and will consider the value of this information. They really should teach at least basic personal finance in school (BEFORE college), and they really don't. At least they didn't for me..
Cheers
 
Not trying to be self righteous.. sorry if it came off that way.. Just trying to let people know of other routes that are available.. Reduce their leverage over you and you will be in control of your career and your life.. Not them. There is a reason they get away with what they do today, and to me it's nothing short of disgusting. Nobody should be required to start out in the hole, add to that a joke 20k gross salary for the job they do requiring the responsibility it does. It's pure BS. And about the seniority thing.. that's perfectly fine. The 401k I was able to build in my 20s since I wasn't on foodstamp wages will more than make up for the longer amount of time it takes me to get to a major airline.. Compound interest over 30+ years will help me WAY more than a few years at a higher income when I'm already 50+. Debt and poverty wages prevent you from investing at the very time you should be going all in. I had no one guiding me.. I figured this all out on my own, and I'm just trying to share the light and hope that someone younger is reading this and will consider the value of this information. They really should teach at least basic personal finance in school (BEFORE college), and they really don't. At least they didn't for me..
Cheers
I've been touting the need for a "Personal Finance" class being mandatory for high school seniors for years. Basic skills like how to balance a budget really are beyond a lot of people. Not to mention how many probably do not understand interest rates etc... But why would they teach life skills? That doesn't seem to be in their long-term best interest.
 
Not trying to be self righteous.. sorry if it came off that way.. Just trying to let people know of other routes that are available.. Reduce their leverage over you and you will be in control of your career and your life.. Not them. There is a reason they get away with what they do today, and to me it's nothing short of disgusting. Nobody should be required to start out in the hole, add to that a joke 20k gross salary for the job they do requiring the responsibility it does. It's pure BS. And about the seniority thing.. that's perfectly fine. The 401k I was able to build in my 20s since I wasn't on foodstamp wages will more than make up for the longer amount of time it takes me to get to a major airline.. Compound interest over 30+ years will help me WAY more than a few years at a higher income when I'm already 50+. Debt and poverty wages prevent you from investing at the very time you should be going all in. I had no one guiding me.. I figured this all out on my own, and I'm just trying to share the light and hope that someone younger is reading this and will consider the value of this information. They really should teach at least basic personal finance in school (BEFORE college), and they really don't. At least they didn't for me..
Cheers
I really like your point of view on things. Like you, I didn't have anyone guiding me. I had to foot the bill for almost all my training. I'm extremely glad I did. It's a mental mind@&$* though when everyone is like "oh you better get on now! Seniority blah blah blah....but don't get into debt." Talk about an oxymoron.
 
I've been touting the need for a "Personal Finance" class being mandatory for high school seniors for years. Basic skills like how to balance a budget really are beyond a lot of people. Not to mention how many probably do not understand interest rates etc... But why would they teach life skills? That doesn't seem to be in their long-term best interest.
100% agree.. it would have prevented the mortgage crisis.. (People are just as much to blame, not entirely the banks.. they signed the dotted line.)

ahsmatt7.. I feel your pain, believe me.. at my age (30 in Sept) I thought I'd at least be working at a regional..Instead I find myself agonizing about future FAA color vision standards (they are going to change soon, yet again, and I have a mild deficiency), and working on my Commercial rating. But in the long run I know it's gonna pay off, for both of us. Another point I'd like to make.. It wasn't entirely a choice. It's physically impossible to live your life and service a loan of 100k+ (hell, even half that) on 20k per year gross. I'd imagine most people that do that have help along the way. People born with a safety net don't really need to learn how to manage their money when it always seems to be flowing (from their parents, inheritance, etc.).. Necessity is one hell of a great teacher.
 
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