FAA Revising ATP Regs

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FAA looks at revising tougher pilot training
FAA looks at revising tougher pilot training rules implemented in wake of Flight 3407 - City & Region - The Buffalo News


WASHINGTON – The Federal Aviation Administration is thinking of revising the tougher pilot training rules that it implemented just last year, and the Families of Continental Flight 3407 – who won passage of a law calling for the new standards – aren’t very happy about it.

The agency set up a committee earlier this year that will “develop and recommend to the FAA new or updated guidance material, notices, handbooks and other related materials for air-carrier training and qualification,” according to the committee’s charter, which the Flight 3407 families obtained and released Tuesday.

The formation of the committee in April came amid loud complaints from the airline industry about the new FAA rule that requires new commercial pilots to have 1,500 hours of cockpit experience. The regional airlines – which generally employ younger, lower-paid pilots and which fly an increasing share of flights on behalf of the big-name airlines – say that new requirement is creating a pilot shortage.

But the families, who fought long and hard for that experience requirement, said the FAA’s move to set up that new pilot training committee could undercut their fight for aviation safety.

Leaders of the families group said they were particularly concerned that Donald R. Dillman, managing director of flight operations for Airlines for America, an industry group, is co-chairman of the committee along with an FAA official.

“This whole process just reeks of the old days of the FAA taking its marching orders from the airlines, which is exactly how the major safety gap between the regional and mainline carriers was allowed to develop in the first place,” said Scott Maurer of Moore, S.C., whose daughter, Lorin, was among the 50 people killed in the Feb. 12, 2009, crash in Clarence Center.

The 15-member committee does not include representatives of either the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations or the National Air Disaster Alliance/Foundation, groups that fought for tougher pilot standards the last time the FAA addressed the issue.

“It is extremely disappointing to see the two parties who didn’t toe the company line on the previous pilot qualification rule-making committee, who stood up for the flying public and for putting safety first, not be included on this new, hush-hush panel,” Maurer said.

FAA spokeswoman Laura J. Brown did not respond to a detailed set of questions about the new committee.

In the committee’s charter, the FAA said that it set up the new panel because the aviation industry is constantly evolving.

“The FAA must continue to review existing air-carrier training and qualification regulations, policies, and guidance to ensure they are current and relevant,” the agency said. “In addition, there continues to be new challenges with changing technology and new research that may necessitate the development of new regulations, policies, and guidance.”

But the Flight 3407 families have insisted that the 2009 crash in Clarence, which federal investigators blamed on pilot error, proved that the tougher pilot training and experience rules implemented last year are necessary.

“These new qualification requirements provide an opportunity to elevate the profession of regional airline pilots by enhancing their entry-level preparation and credentials, and hopefully the FAA will recognize this and stand up for the safety of the flying public,” said Susan Bourque, of East Aurora, whose sister Beverly Eckert, a 9/11 activist, was killed in the crash.
Thoughts? Personally I hope it doesn't happen, with the exception of the written going back to normal.
 
Didn't everyone say this was going to happen sooner or later? I can't say I'm surprised... It's irritating at best.
 
They should flush the whole thing. But now that I've done my time, I'd rather they keep it, so everyone else can do their time too. It's like a 21 to drink thing. The new written rules are COMPLETELY asinine. Let's just screw over everyone who has already gone through their training and then flown 1,000+ more hours by requiring them to pay over $10,000 dollars just to fly a few hours in a motion simulator.
 
Thy should add a maturity test to the new reg. I know a few guys getting jobs that lack basic human skills and still reason as if they where still in high school.
 
Not surprising. The airlines do in fact, own the faa. It only takes so many airlines complaining to get the faa to act.
 
Like many others, I'm ok with the 1500 hour rule , but the written rule? That be some Bravo Sierra that needs to be shot down ASAP.
 
I still don't really understand how an extra 500hrs of teaching students pattern work is suppose to better prepare someone to fly an rj? You can only learn so much sitting there saying 'more right rudder, more right rudder.'
I must be doing the wrong CFI job, since breaking 1000 I have yet to do pattern work. That being said, the extra 500 hours can be spent much more wisely than just doing pattern work.
 
IMO the 1500 is a filter...is you can instruct, tow banners, fly freight etc for 1000+ hours without killing yourself, getting violated, balling up a plane etc, you should be able to handle flying right seat in a rj. Do people slip through the cracks? Sure. But it's better than going from wet commercial to f/o in a rj. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but since this is law, the FAA cannot totally repeal this without going through congress? They can water it down I.E get rid of the sim stuff, make the hour requirement 500, but not repeal it all together correct?
 
Thoughts? Personally I hope it doesn't happen, with the exception of the written going back to normal.
Okay everybody take a deep breath, because what I am about to say will seem hard to believe but it is true. Yesterday I spoke to the FAA because I heard a rumor they were granting ATP written extensions. So while that proved to be untrue we got on the subject of the pilot shortage cities losing service and the airlines cutting capacity. I was told rather ambiguously that the 1500 hour rule is going to drop. The FAA is closely monitoring the pilot shortage and seeing how it is affecting the nations airline service - especially at the regional level. They are starting to have some concerns with the flight cancellations and capacity cuts looks like Brian Bedford and the gang are getting ready to have their way. The RAA has even started a website. I will try to post a link later. Just the messenger. Okay got the website address. It is at - take flight tomorrow.org
 
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Okay everybody take a deep breath, because what I am about to say will seem hard to believe but it is true. Yesterday I spoke to the FAA because I heard a rumor they were granting ATP written extensions. So while that proved to be untrue we got on the subject of the pilot shortage cities losing service and the airlines cutting capacity. I was told rather ambiguously that the 1500 hour rule is going to drop. The FAA is closely monitoring the pilot shortage and seeing how it is affecting the nations airline service - especially at the regional level. They are starting to have some concerns with the flight cancellations and capacity cuts looks like Brian Bedford and the gang are getting ready to have their way. The RAA has even started a website. I will try to post a link later. Just the messenger.
If what you say is true; how long will it take to go into effect?
 
Okay everybody take a deep breath, because what I am about to say will seem hard to believe but it is true. Yesterday I spoke to the FAA because I heard a rumor they were granting ATP written extensions. So while that proved to be untrue we got on the subject of the pilot shortage cities losing service and the airlines cutting capacity. I was told rather ambiguously that the 1500 hour rule is going to drop. The FAA is closely monitoring the pilot shortage and seeing how it is affecting the nations airline service - especially at the regional level. They are starting to have some concerns with the flight cancellations and capacity cuts looks like Brian Bedford and the gang are getting ready to have their way. The RAA has even started a website. I will try to post a link later. Just the messenger.
:bang::bang::bang::bang:

*glances at bank account* I believe I've found the actual reason for the shortage.
 
Yes, drop the 1500tt and require 1000tt with 500 hrs part 125, part 135, or 91 subpart K, with 500 cross country and 100 multi.

Wait, that might actually make things worse...
 
First I'll say I was one of those people who was affected by this rule, and I agree with it. Minus the sim part that is. In my first 1500 I did both instructing and 135 and am a way more well rounded pilot than at 500 or even 1000 hours. I think that was the point. Second, that is infuriating to hear they will be dropping it, especially when everyone knows the problem with staffing isn't the supply of pilots but the compensation for doing the jobs that need to be filled.
 
Would the FAA totally drop it? As in you can get hired with a wet comm? Or try to water it down even more?
 
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