FAA Proposal for ATP/1500 Rule

Boris Badenov said:
Dude. Your employment should not be where you channel your passion and drive. That's a huge waste. Every job is, in the end, just a job. I think about the guys who I've known who had "passion and drive" for their chosen profession and I'm hard pressed to come up with one who is even Content, let alone Happy. Feel passion and drive for the things you aren't paid to do. It lasts longer that way.
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You must live to work, comrade. Not work to live. :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Boots boots boots, marchin' in marchin' in... Boots boots boots...


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Ah yes. My other favorite. What was crazy was that some idiots would actually work harder when they yelled at us. Kind of like life- you have people who are like Alec Guinness at the end of the "Bridge over the River Kwai". They are on their death bed, smack themselves on the head and say "My God. What have I done."
 
cmill said:
Where does this sense of elitism come from? Does it come standard with 1000hrs swinging gear in a Barbie jet?
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No, in my case it comes from roughly 6,000 hours in jets (both the "Barbie" and the Boeing variety), 1,500 of it PIC, time as a CFI, and time as a sim instructor. And what you call elitism, I call judgment that comes from experience.
 
Trip7 said:
ASA's training department has stated numerous times that statistically, single pilot 135 pilots have the most difficult time with initial 121 training.
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We had the same statistics at Pinnacle. High-time CFIs also had a lot of difficulty. The people with the best results in training? No one wants to hear it, but it was the guys who came from university flight programs and highly-structured Part 141 schools like ATP.
 
Ian J said:
I should also mention, after re-reading my post about how the transitions were a non-issue and all that I am in no way trying to say I'm a super-pilot or anything. I'm a cooperate and graduate kind of guy and just kind of assumed crew vs. single pilot transitions and back were fairly easy for anyone.
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You're a professional.

You fly it however they tell you to, yes? :)
 
Trip7 said:
ASA's training department has stated numerous times that statistically, single pilot 135 pilots have the most difficult time with initial 121 training.
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ATN_Pilot said:
We had the same statistics at Pinnacle. High-time CFIs also had a lot of difficulty. The people with the best results in training? No one wants to hear it, but it was the guys who came from university flight programs and highly-structured Part 141 schools like ATP.
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*looks at resume*

I must be what you call a "Double Threat"! :)

EDIT: Wait, crap, I misread ATN's post. I'm so used to automatically disagreeing with everything he says that I skimmed over the "best results" part. Carry on (but I still have scary SPIFR blood). ;)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
We had the same statistics at Pinnacle. High-time CFIs also had a lot of difficulty. The people with the best results in training? No one wants to hear it, but it was the guys who came from university flight programs and highly-structured Part 141 schools like ATP.
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Did the best results continue to line flying? Not trolling.

Only the Jacksonville base at ATP is 141; the rest is 61. The local school at <<home>> has a 141 program that is substantially no different in content from its part 61 counterpart other than you have to use a specifically certificated set of aircraft instead of whatever they happen to have available that day. There is no difference other than the number of hours required. Same instructors. They don't have examination authority yet, though. So...they use the same pool of DPEs. Same product, less time.

dasleben said:
*looks at resume*

I must be what you call a "Double Threat"! :)
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I keep saying it, you guys are dangerous.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
We had the same statistics at Pinnacle. High-time CFIs also had a lot of difficulty. The people with the best results in training? No one wants to hear it, but it was the guys who came from university flight programs and highly-structured Part 141 schools like ATP.
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Unless I'm mistaken ATP is part 61



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trafficinsight said:
Unless I'm mistaken ATP is part 61
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I think the point is that they adhere to a strict training syllabus and schedule. That's how airlines teach so it's a good way to learn if that's the route you plan on going someday.

I just finished my two yearly days at the school house and there was a new hire class in there that had just started at the beginning of the week. They all looked like they were about 10 years old.
 
Trip7 said:
ASA's training department has stated numerous times that statistically, single pilot 135 pilots have the most difficult time with initial 121 training.
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When I did the RJ thing, the CKA told me many of the young'ns would just let the FMS/AP fly them off whereever because they had blind faith in the systems. "the g/s didnt't capture...what now?" as they tool along holding altitude dirty and bleeding off airspeed.
 
BobDDuck said:
I think the point is that they adhere to a strict training syllabus and schedule. That's how airlines teach so it's a good way to learn if that's the route you plan on going someday.

I just finished my two yearly days at the school house and there was a new hire class in there that had just started at the beginning of the week. They all looked like they were about 10 years old.
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No the point is You don't have to be part 141 to be structured, and being 141 doesn't mean anything, shady 141s are a dime a dozen.


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I have over 8000 hrs F/E time & just over 1000 PIC I just done my written I haven't seen if anything has changed on my 500hrs credit for my F/E time. I am hoping to get my ATP well before the rule change.
 
BobDDuck said:
I think the point is that they adhere to a strict training syllabus and schedule. That's how airlines teach so it's a good way to learn if that's the route you plan on going someday.
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Well...they're supposed to, anyway.

I just finished my two yearly days at the school house and there was a new hire class in there that had just started at the beginning of the week. They all looked like they were about 10 years old.
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I don't know whether to say "thank you" or to be offended. ;)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
No, in my case it comes from roughly 6,000 hours in jets (both the "Barbie" and the Boeing variety), 1,500 of it PIC, time as a CFI, and time as a sim instructor. And what you call elitism, I call judgment that comes from experience.
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I dont care if you have 1000 hours of space shuttle time, that doesnt qualify you to decide that a pilot with more experience on a given airframe is less capable because they didnt drink from the same punch bowl.

Oh yeah:

"Elitism:
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class."

In this case the class would be 121 operators.
 
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