FAA Hiring Process Revamped

Thats the one. If you have the green check on Aviator, you are likely through to the ATSAT. I've heard that HR is manually going through the resumes of everybody that passed the BQ and verifying that they met the minimum requirements, and calling people for more information if they need it.

Lady I spoke to on the phone said information about the ATSAT should be available in a few weeks. I'm curious as to where they will hold it...people from all over the country must have passed the BQ and I'm not exactly sure how they will decide what cities will host the test.
Well my green check is still there. Thanks for the info! Reading through this thread about CTI grads and post ATC dudes getting a no thanks letter is asinine. It'll be interesting to see what happens from here. Then again, I don't know anything about the process so I'm probably being naive.
 
If you have a green check then you should be okay.
Yeah I still have the green check, so I guess I just have to wait for HR to look at my resume. When do guys think the AT SAT will be? Just trying to get an idea of how much time ill have to study. I want to order that green book everyone seems to be recommending.
 
Oh, I under achieved in high school. I under achieved so much that they probably should have given me an award. I don't think I could have done anything less and still passed. That has to be harder to get right then all A's?

I shaped up in college, though. I understand what CAMI is saying but I also think we were all completely different people in high school. Although, what really got me in high school is the same thing now: if I don't care then I don't care. I didn't care about learning the history of the color wheel. I actually failed art in high school. College and training I did a complete 180. Even the stupid classes in college...I guess I matured enough to care about my GPA
I went through a similar change. I was average in high school but kicked ass in the military and in college.
 
Yeah I still have the green check, so I guess I just have to wait for HR to look at my resume. When do guys think the AT SAT will be? Just trying to get an idea of how much time ill have to study. I want to order that green book everyone seems to be recommending.

Who knows but get the green book. However, the ATSAT is supposed to be different so take it with a grain of salt.
 
No offence to all you "A" students out there but in my 30 years of ATC it appears the best controllers are people with higher IQs that were under achievers in high school and college.
Hey, that's me! I was toeing the line of total failure back in my Highschool days but managed to graduate. Hopefully I get a second shot at this, but best of luck to the few of you that made it past. Make us proud! And more importantly, give us a write up of the new ATSAT if you can. :)
 
I was found to be not competitive.... its a bummer. CTI grad and plenty of real aviation experience but I guess I'm not what they are looking for. Well guess I just continue flying....
 
I hear tell of at least a couple of FAA REINST (that'd be FAA CPCs who resigned and are applying back) who didn't pass the BQ. Apparently according to the metrics they'd make horrible controllers. There you have it folks. Millions paid for a 60 question test to weed out who has a resume we should look at. This wouldn't be so bad if they had a legit screen, but they don't. I wouldn't be surprised if my next trainee won't know what a Boeing is.

I intend to be brutally honest on any OJTI forms I write in the future. I'm done with keeping up with the process. If military controllers (or former FAA CPCs) with two enlistments under their belts and vet pref points are being weeded out before anyone even sees their resume, I fully expect those hired in their stead to be on the ball each and every time. I won't be overlooking mistakes because its only their 30th hour on the sector.

To play devils advocate...at my facility I have seen trainees from each line come through and there have been good and bad no matter the "previous experience. "

To me it doesn't matter what your previous experience is because what you will be doing for the faa is not going to be the same as you did before.

For VRA hires this was the biggest issue I see all the time...being able to forget "thats not what we did at so and so place..." Along with that the military is just like the faa when it comes to training. Get em checked out...sometimes even more so.

Now to say a CTI grad has more experience than an off the street hire is ludicrous. You can ask just about any CPC and they will say that your CTI degree does just about nothing for you when you pop radios. It might help wead out a weak stick or two...but just because you have that piece of paper does not mean you will be any better than the person standing next to you.

Off the street hires, good and bad. I am an off the street hire...the good is that the majority had no previous atc experience to gauge against. ..so there is little of the attitude of "I know how it goes jack..." Bad is that they have not been through any weeding out process so to speak compared to the other avenues.

And prior cpc'c. Talk to any controler that trained a patco guy. I am sure that when those guys were working that they knew their crap. However by the time they were allowed back in they had long lost their edge and nearly every rehire found a job for their remaining years not talking to planes. Goes back to the previous experience being a hindrance...they could not adapt and change to the ever evolving game we call atc.

I have had cpc transfers from up down atct's that could not get one d side. ..cpc's from vfr towers power through all their training with no issues...military controllers that cannot understand that we dont do cowboy controlling....cti grads with a chip on their shoulder thinking they are better that others...and off the streets wash out....to everything inbetween.

What I am saying is that you really cannot grade someone on their previous experience. It can be used as a tool to help weed out possible weak sticks but to flat out say...he was a cpc....he should get in is also ludicrous. I dont know about your facility but I am tired of mine filling up with controllers that you have to work around them vs work with them.

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And dont get me started on studying for the atsat... That is an aptitude test ment to grade your ability to do the identified processes in atc. Its not a college test meant to grade your ability to study and remember data then dump it.

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BWER.....BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cowboy i like the way you think, the beers are on me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. every thing he said is true.

P.P.S. your attitude is just as important as your abilities, remember if you get hired your being watched even thought you many not think it...... you are .
 
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All I can say is I feel fortunate to have made it through the hiring process when I did, as self-destructive as it sounds now. If I had applied to the FAA six months later than I did, I'd probably be flying for Great Lakes right now!
 
Does anyone know, if you got rejected, if they keep your application? Or do we have to keep applying every time it opens up?
 
I applied and got rejected. Wasn't holding my breath. I have another career path that I feel good about pursuing. I'll keep applying to the FAA, but if that never materializes oh well I guess.
 
Anybody have any current news about the process?

Picked this up from an outside source...

"From what i've attained from multiple sources, if you've gotten a call in the past week it's been about them gathering more information for your application to be complete (i.e. transcripts, exact hours for part-time work, etc). Everything needed to be in by wednesday (3/5/14) and they would be finalizing them today friday (3/7/2014) and your app status would change from received to reviewed. Assuming a call/email for an AT-SAT date will be sometime next week... hopefully.."
 
Picked this up from an outside source...

"From what i've attained from multiple sources, if you've gotten a call in the past week it's been about them gathering more information for your application to be complete (i.e. transcripts, exact hours for part-time work, etc). Everything needed to be in by wednesday (3/5/14) and they would be finalizing them today friday (3/7/2014) and your app status would change from received to reviewed. Assuming a call/email for an AT-SAT date will be sometime next week... hopefully.."
Thanks! At least it puts a relative timeline on things.
 
I've heard 1 to 2 weeks for AT-SAT date's also. My biggest concern is where the ATSAT will be held. Hoping theres one at least in LA, if not the Bay Area.
 
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