FAA database reveals 6,100 problem pilots

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FAA database reveals 6,100 problem pilots
by Jason Whitely / WFAA-TV
Posted on November 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

DALLAS - At a time when airline pilots face increased scrutiny, News 8 has discovered more that 6,100 pilots have faced warnings or lost or had their licenses suspended over the last decade.
News 8 reviewed an FAA database of pilots who have been sanctioned since 1999. The date revealed 6,176 names of commercial and airline transport pilots.
"We've got pilots out there who are not paying attention, and that could be your pilot," said Don Swaim, a Dallas aviation attorney who has worked on major airline disasters.
He said recent news has disturbed him, including the incident last month when two Delta Airlines pilots landed their 767 on an active taxiway rather than on the runway in Atlanta.
Days later, two Northwest Airlines pilots simply forgot to land at their destination in Minneapolis. They said they were distracted while on their laptop computers.
Monday, a United Airlines pilot was arrested in London minutes before boarding after he failed a sobriety test.
But, the database revealed these problems aren't isolated events.
The federal database revealed that of the 6,176 sanctions given to pilots, a quarter of them, almost 1,500, happened in the last two years.
"It's essentially taking away the ability of that pilot to go to work," said Scott Shankland, Allied Pilots Association. "It's like a lawyer being disbarred and not being able to practice law."
According to the database, most pilot problems, 2,700 of them, were reported to the FAA by air traffic controllers.
Almost 600 pilots faced sanctions for DUIs, and 156 failed drug tests.
At least one captain was reprimanded for not landing his crippled jet at the closest airport after one of his two engines failed.
"Most of that is behind closed doors that you and I aren't going to hear about unless there's an accident," Swaim said.
Records showed Delta Airlines had the most pilots, 71, to face trouble. US Airways had 69 and Southwest Airlines 23.
Of the eight major airlines News 8 reviewed, American Airlines was second to the bottom with 18. Northwest Airlines had 15.
American's pilots said they're the most experienced in the industry and less apt to cut corners.
"We're not surprised by the data because of what we instill in our pilots or professionalism and experience," Shankland said. "And when they board that aircraft, their sole purpose is to get their passengers safely to the destination."
The Allied Pilots Association represents American's pilots.
"The pilots know what they should be doing," Swaim said. "The problem is it's hard to enforce that. That's why for years and years the NTSB has been arguing for video in the cockpit."
But, pilots have pushed back saying they are already regulated enough with rigorous health and safety checks. Pilots said cameras might make them second guess themselves in an emergency.
Airlines often successfully weed out problem pilots, but federal records and recent events clearly indicate some remain in the sky.
 
6100 and change mistakes over a period of the last 10 years for every operation completed by a commercial or ATP rated pilot is an absurdly small number percentage wise.

I wonder what fraction of 1% that percentage is?

Luckily the report that left out the fact that operations engaged by these certificate holders could have been (in part): flight instruction, Part 91 corporate operations, Ag Operations, Banner towing, Part 135 operations, sightseeing, offshore helo operations, fractional ownership operations and the myriad of other things that require a commercial or higher rating.

I'd love to see a real graph of the type and frequencies of the actual incidents.

You'd read the press and never realize that the American aviation system is one of, if not the, safest transportation systems in the world.
 
:whatever:

"We've got pilots out there who are not paying attention, and that could be your pilot"
I think that is the most upsetting and annoying quote from this whole story. Makes it sound like the public should avoid flying altogether, because, you know...chances are your pilot is sleeping, drunk, or on Facebook.

Stupid article, in my opinion.
 
:whatever:

I think that is the most upsetting and annoying quote from this whole story. Makes it sound like the public should avoid flying altogether, because, you know...chances are your pilot is sleeping, drunk, or on Facebook.

Stupid article, in my opinion.

Well, it's so much easier to take a broad statistic that seems daunting, get a quote from a lawyer that doesn't fly airplanes, and make a sensationalist piece devoid of any detailed analysis that makes us look like Larry Moe and Curly up there.

It's embarrassing that the press is able to write such pieces of crap and not get torn apart by the general public, and more importantly have a well written response with bits of knowledge, fact and meaningful statistics.
 
:whatever:

I think that is the most upsetting and annoying quote from this whole story. Makes it sound like the public should avoid flying altogether, because, you know...chances are your pilot is sleeping, drunk, or on Facebook.

Stupid article, in my opinion.

There's nothing inaccurate about the statement. And if you're paying attention you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Don't worry, people will still fly.
 
So easy to twist numbers, isn't it?

There are 270,000 commercial and ATP certificate holders in the US, and only 220,000 private certificate holders.

600 certificate actions/year out of 270,000 pilots. Doesn't really seem like that many, does it? And how many of those were for part 91 or 135 operations?
 
There's nothing inaccurate about the statement. And if you're paying attention you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Don't worry, people will still fly.

It's not that the statement is inaccurate, it's that it's misleading, along with the rest of this piece.

Public skepticism of pilots is created by articles such as these. Yes, of course there are bad pilots that make horrible mistakes, be it the Colgan incident or NWA just a couple weeks ago. But, the public needs to be reassured of the *fact* that the huge majority of flying (especially airline) is indeed much safer than driving a car.
 
PA Announcements we'd like to hear:

" Uh, Ladies & Gentlemen, the Captain & First Officer are both sick with food poisoning. Is there a TV Reporter on board?"
 
It's embarrassing that the press is able to write such pieces of crap and not get torn apart by the general public

This is the good thing about the American public being exactly what P.T. Barnum and H.L. Mencken said.

They've got the attention span of a gnat on crack.

They won't remember this because some celebutard will be found to have produced a sex tape. Then the interwebs will be full of chatter about that, and this will be forgotten.
 
Well if the drunk beagle's numbers are right, that's only .0022222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222 % each year.

Your math is a bit off (two orders of magnitude), it would be 0.25%, or 1 in 450.

But, I bet their numbers are even more misleading than that.

Even some of the most minor infractions are going to show up here, since 180 day certificate suspension is what the FAA will do most of the time. I'm sure lots of these are for things like a nosewheel being 2 centimeters over a hold short line, TFR violations, or minor altitude deviations.

Most certificate actions are probably against those not actively exercising their comm or ATP certificates anyway, since there are nowhere near 270,000 airline pilots employed by US airlines.
 
6100 and change mistakes over a period of the last 10 years for every operation completed by a commercial or ATP rated pilot is an absurdly small number percentage wise.

But not compared to other professions!!!!

Oh, wait.

Nevermind! :) :sarcasm:
 
I did a lot of research on this subject using data from a great many sources. I ran it through various computer models and did extensive statistical analysis on the results. The conclusion is very distressing and alarming. It turns out that 50% of the pilot population is below average.
 
In the past few months there has been a very noticable change in the atmosphere at the airline I work for because of all the recent events and press. Everyone seems more tense with rumors of rampant dequals with feds and checkairmen out to get everyone for even the most petty of errors.

I guess it isn't necessarily a bad thing that the pilot group as a whole has been trying to focus more on our professionalism in general, but the atmosphere I am feeling is more knee-jerk and cut-throat as opposed to educational. It would be nice if it was more focused on education and learning through an ongoing ATTEMPT to become more perfect instead of focused on merely fear tactics. Articles like this do nothing to help encourage true safety development. Video cameras? Are we really not able to be trusted to act professionally?

I have always tried to be as professional as possible whether in training, on the flight deck, or just strolling through the terminal. I know that the vast majority of my co-workers do the same. I just wish the articles would stop because all they do is create fear and knee-jerk reactions instead of encouraging a focus on continuing education and safety devlelopment.
 
I did a lot of research on this subject using data from a great many sources. I ran it through various computer models and did extensive statistical analysis on the results. The conclusion is very distressing and alarming. It turns out that 50% of the pilot population is below average.

:laff: :pirate:

Now that's funny.
 
I did a lot of research on this subject using data from a great many sources. I ran it through various computer models and did extensive statistical analysis on the results. The conclusion is very distressing and alarming. It turns out that 50% of the pilot population is below average.

OMG!!! Call Fox News, quick!! :rotfl:


(your post= my vote for post of the day. :) )
 
I did a lot of research on this subject using data from a great many sources. I ran it through various computer models and did extensive statistical analysis on the results. The conclusion is very distressing and alarming. It turns out that 50% of the pilot population is below average.

I have done alot of statistical results on the outcome of your post and have realized that unless you meant to add this tag

:sarcasm:

This tag is going to be the most popular

:popcorn:
 
I did a lot of research on this subject using data from a great many sources. I ran it through various computer models and did extensive statistical analysis on the results. The conclusion is very distressing and alarming. It turns out that 50% of the pilot population is below average.

Let me do the math. . .By God, you're right! Quick! Somebody do something!!!!:eek:
 
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