EWR radios and radar fail again

[NovemberEcho]

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The thunderstorms are real. ZNY and ZBW keep closing departure gates. Idk if it still is but all westbound departures (biggy/lanna/parke/zimmz/newel) and most of the north gates for the previous hour I was in there were all stopped.

 

[ASpilot2be]

Sheeee … don’t forget the REALID requirement starts tomorrow (07May). I’m skeptical it will amount to much disruption at this point, but still is another ferret with a gun in the situation.

If they are going international, then they have passports and it's no big deal.

 

[Soul Brotha']

@NovemberEcho , I changed my mind. Delay us as much as possible.

 

[89-LX]

EWR only. We are completely unrelated to PHL ops other than sharing a room.

Just curious, did EWR TRACON only move to PHL, or all of the big airports including LGA and JFK move there as well?

Prior to this, was EWR sharing a building with LGA/JFK if they were in the same room? What was the reasoning for the move? I may recall something about cost of living for NY vs PHL, it can't remember if that was the reason or there were other reasons.

 

[CFI A&P]

VFR at 16,500.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Just curious, did EWR TRACON only move to PHL, or all of the big airports including LGA and JFK move there as well?

Prior to this, was EWR sharing a building with LGA/JFK if they were in the same room? What was the reasoning for the move? I may recall something about cost of living for NY vs PHL, it can't remember if that was the reason or there were other reasons.

EWR Area was a part of New York Tracon (N90). N90 was made up of 5 areas, Ewr, LGA, JFK, ISP, and Liberty. Ewr Area works EWR/TEB/MMU/CDW and all the uncontrolled fields in northern Nj (basically anything north of TTN).

The FAA’s reasoning (officially anyway) for the move was that long term to improve staffing, it had to be moved off Long Island. In fairness, I also have long advocated for that. Not enough people were willing to transfer to LI, and too many trainees came and quit cause they didn’t want to get stuck on LI. But they couldn’t have done it in a more slapstick haphazard way. Ripping a single area out of the building was not a solution. Relocating the whole Tracon to a more desirable location (something they had tried to do back in the early 2000’s before Schumer squashed it) would have been the proper answer.

 

[Roger Roger]

EWR Area was a part of New York Tracon (N90). N90 was made up of 5 areas, Ewr, LGA, JFK, ISP, and Liberty. Ewr Area works EWR/TEB/MMU/CDW and all the uncontrolled fields in northern Nj (basically anything north of TTN).

The FAA’s reasoning (officially anyway) for the move was that long term to improve staffing, it had to be moved off Long Island. In fairness, I also have long advocated for that. Not enough people were willing to transfer to LI, and too many trainees came and quit cause they didn’t want to get stuck on LI. But they couldn’t have done it in a more slapstick haphazard way. Ripping a single area out of the building was not a solution. Relocating the whole Tracon to a more desirable location (something they had tried to do back in the early 2000’s before Schumer squashed it) would have been the proper answer.

And apparently not give the IT connectivity contract to Tony’s pizza delivery and telecom solutions, llc

 

[NovemberEcho]

And apparently not give the IT connectivity contract to Tony’s pizza delivery and telecom solutions, llc

Aka Verizon lol

 

[CFI A&P]

Aka Verizon lol

As a result of these "events" (failures), I am willing to bet there will be a knee-jerk reaction giving this to Musk-Starlink instead of an analytical approach to the correct solution.

 

[T/O w/FSII]

As a result of these "events" (failures), I am willing to bet there will be a knee-jerk reaction giving this to Musk-Starlink instead of an analytical approach to the correct solution.

Yea that’s already happening

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/faa-says-agency-needs-multiple-technologies-us-air-traffic-system-2025-03-05/

 

[derg]

EWR Area was a part of New York Tracon (N90). N90 was made up of 5 areas, Ewr, LGA, JFK, ISP, and Liberty. Ewr Area works EWR/TEB/MMU/CDW and all the uncontrolled fields in northern Nj (basically anything north of TTN).

The FAA’s reasoning (officially anyway) for the move was that long term to improve staffing, it had to be moved off Long Island. In fairness, I also have long advocated for that. Not enough people were willing to transfer to LI, and too many trainees came and quit cause they didn’t want to get stuck on LI. But they couldn’t have done it in a more slapstick haphazard way. Ripping a single area out of the building was not a solution. Relocating the whole Tracon to a more desirable location (something they had tried to do back in the early 2000’s before Schumer squashed it) would have been the proper answer.

Your buddy Duffy was saying “we’re looking at sending controllers from other facilities to help”

Oh REALLY. One doesn’t simply walk into Mordor, one at least has to train for what, a year?

 

[arkavgal]

EWR Area was a part of New York Tracon (N90). N90 was made up of 5 areas, Ewr, LGA, JFK, ISP, and Liberty. Ewr Area works EWR/TEB/MMU/CDW and all the uncontrolled fields in northern Nj (basically anything north of TTN).

The FAA’s reasoning (officially anyway) for the move was that long term to improve staffing, it had to be moved off Long Island. In fairness, I also have long advocated for that. Not enough people were willing to transfer to LI, and too many trainees came and quit cause they didn’t want to get stuck on LI. But they couldn’t have done it in a more slapstick haphazard way. Ripping a single area out of the building was not a solution. Relocating the whole Tracon to a more desirable location (something they had tried to do back in the early 2000’s before Schumer squashed it) would have been the proper answer.

What's so bad about Long Island? It has some nicer areas. I would prefer LI over Newark any day. Now, Philadelphia might be a preferable location to the NYC area.

 

[NovemberEcho]

What's so bad about Long Island? It has some nicer areas. I would prefer LI over Newark any day. Now, Philadelphia might be a preferable location to the NYC area.

i kept a coal fire going in my backyard just trying to speed up sea level rising so that godforsaken •hole of an island would slip beneath the waves.

 

[jtrain609]

i kept a coal fire going in my backyard just trying to speed up sea level rising so that godforsaken •hole of an island would slip beneath the waves.

 

[GolfChuck]

...too many trainees came and quit cause they didn’t want to get stuck on LI.

Now they quit because they don't want to get stuck working 60 hours a week for the rest of their lives.

 

[derg]

i kept a coal fire going in my backyard just trying to speed up sea level rising so that godforsaken •hole of an island would slip beneath the waves.

NEWMANNNNNNNNN!

 

[roundout]

NEWMANNNNNNNNN!

Isn't that one town over from Peachtree City?

 

[derg]

Isn't that one town over from Peachtree City?

Naw, Cooter, dats NEWNAAAAANNNNNNNN!

 

[Skåning]

So since we're changing things, can we get the NOTAMs fixed too???

 

[derg]

So since we're changing things, can we get the NOTAMs fixed too???

No because we’re not actually interested in fixing actual problems. Just the made-up boogeymen.