Everything I've wanted to know about ATC. (But have been to afraid to ask.)

cmill said:
Do you hear a familiar call sign and give them "special treatment," as in letting them do things that you normally wouldn't let another aircraft do?

I guess in short, is there a sense that "this guy knows what he's doing, and we'll give him more leeway?"
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I know our local ATC is good about this, they'll give you tighter spacing and so forth because they know the 135 guys are always going to make the first exit. Or so it seems, I don't know what actually goes on in the tower. They do seem to like sticking me behind slow planes though, had to do S-turns twice today...and one of those turned into a go around because the guy didn't clear the runway fast enough...
 
Roger Roger said:
I know our local ATC is good about this, they'll give you tighter spacing and so forth because they know the 135 guys are always going to make the first exit. Or so it seems, I don't know what actually goes on in the tower. They do seem to like sticking me behind slow planes though, had to do S-turns twice today...and one of those turned into a go around because the guy didn't clear the runway fast enough...
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Ya JNU tower will work tighter spacing for 135 ops.. but when they know you... let's just say if you get a clearance by first name you better be making a airshow short approach, touch down at one end of Charlie, be off at the other end and not make the jet landing opposite direction go around.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
Ya JNU tower will work tighter spacing for 135 ops.. but when they know you... let's just say if you get a clearance by first name you better be making a airshow short approach, touch down at one end of Charlie, be off at the other end and not make the jet landing opposite direction go around.
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-wink- I have /never/ expected this out of my pilots.

"Lear 1AB, cross runway 11R, 11L cleared for takeoff, early left turn approved, traffic 5 mile final runway 29R, Citation 750"

Maybe it is a good thing I am not in the tower anymore... I wonder if my manager just wanted to get rid of me...
 
Sunburn said:
-wink- I have /never/ expected this out of my pilots.

"Lear 1AB, cross runway 11R, 11L cleared for takeoff, early left turn approved, traffic 5 mile final runway 29R, Citation 750"

Maybe it is a good thing I am not in the tower anymore... I wonder if my manager just wanted to get rid of me...
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Thats what I love about Reduced Runway Separation in the AF; same type, 3000' runway separation is all thats needed. Standard 12,000' runway, you have a formation of 4 having separated in the break, with lead turning off the runway, two and three on rollout, and four touching down. Nice and efficient.
 
MikeD said:
Thats what I love about Reduced Runway Separation in the AF; same type, 3000' runway separation is all thats needed. Standard 12,000' runway, you have a formation of 4 having separated in the break, with lead turning off the runway, two and three on rollout, and four touching down. Nice and efficient.
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Until a brake issue on #3 or #4 rears its ugly head. :eek2:
 
SteveC said:
Until a brake issue on #3 or #4 rears its ugly head. :eek2:
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Not so, believe it or not. RRS assumes being on opposite sides of the centerline on touchdown. Once brakes are checked, one can move over from the hot side to the cold side of the runway on rollout. If no brakes, then you pass the guy who is on the cold side of the centerline ahead of you, and take the arresting gear.
 
SteveC said:
Well that's not how WE do it.....er.....wait a minute...

...never mind. :p
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....at least how I described it is how it's supposed to work...:D

And yes, its for tactical aircraft only......not for the heavies. Although to give credit where credit is due, a KC-135/B-52 MITO launch event is a damn cool sight to see. Especially in the days of the water injected J57s on the bombers and the tanker TOADs. Number one has it easy, the follow-on guys don't.

Damn sure ain't no "hold for IFR release" here.




 
cmill said:
Do you hear a familiar call sign and give them "special treatment," as in letting them do things that you normally wouldn't let another aircraft do?

I guess in short, is there a sense that "this guy knows what he's doing, and we'll give him more leeway?"
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Recent example. Sunday early morning CAVU.


- Aye ay approach ... XXX beekei... flight of two 15 to the south inbound...
- Who's calling? Stay out of my airspace call in one hour.
- ?????? (silence followed by :bounce: )
- squawk XXXX what you want? :)
 
Roger Roger said:
I know our local ATC is good about this, they'll give you tighter spacing and so forth because they know the 135 guys are always going to make the first exit. Or so it seems, I don't know what actually goes on in the tower. They do seem to like sticking me behind slow planes though, had to do S-turns twice today...and one of those turned into a go around because the guy didn't clear the runway fast enough...
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On a 135 checkride, 120kts on final, crossing the FAF, ATC asked us for a 360 because a Champ was on final in front of us. His hamsters were already going as fast as they could. I think he said he had 60kts indicated.
 
Got to ask MIke, What happens if number in a MITO has an aborted takeoff. Isn't the plane behind him already rolling? Or do you take just about everything airborne?

Does the USAF even practice MITO anymore....I haven't see one in years.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Got to ask MIke, What happens if number in a MITO has an aborted takeoff. Isn't the plane behind him already rolling? Or do you take just about everything airborne?

Does the USAF even practice MITO anymore....I haven't see one in years.
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The nuke units still do, I believe. From what I understand, if you have to abort the takeoff, you roll it out into the grass off the side if you have to. Ulitmately, it probably won't matter in the big picture, because you'd likely get vaporized by the incoming SS-20 ICBM anyway.....so in this case, taking everything airborne regardless of what it is, might just in fact be your best chance of survival.

Could be worse though, you could be the tanker TOAD handing off all your fuel once airborne.
 
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