European Routes ? HELP!

nyk said:
We use Navtech which in our version only has IFPS Validate button I don't see the IFPS Reroute button. The RAD is a life saver I think and this way I learn the coast in and out points and so on. That was the whole idea behind the help here.
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We also use NFP. They are a good source as well and I've contacted them at times for help. Make sure that it is set to "warn" on the 170 screen in FOMS. Also, check on the route screen that it's marked to "warn" as well.

To enter IFPS Reroute Accepted in line 18, you click on "Send to ATC" and click "Details", and manually enter it there after remarks. Click send and they will return a route to you via Avinet. Re-run your flight plan with the route they send (usually just a change from entry/exit point depending on your direction of flight) and voila! It's a quick fix when in a time crunch!
 
womanpilot73 said:
We also use NFP. They are a good source as well and I've contacted them at times for help. Make sure that it is set to "warn" on the 170 screen in FOMS. Also, check on the route screen that it's marked to "warn" as well.

To enter IFPS Reroute Accepted in line 18, you click on "Send to ATC" and click "Details", and manually enter it there after remarks. Click send and they will return a route to you via Avinet. Re-run your flight plan with the route they send (usually just a change from entry/exit point depending on your direction of flight) and voila! It's a quick fix when in a time crunch!
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FOMS scares me ! Its so archaic ! I feel like ill mess something in there that will mess up navtech completely !
 
nyk said:
FOMS scares me ! Its so archaic ! I feel like ill mess something in there that will mess up navtech completely !
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Lol... If you aren't familiar on how to use it, just call Navtech and ask them to check that for you. They can fix it from their end if it's not set right. You shouldn't always be getting routes that won't validate if doing an MTTA after your exit point. I always run an MTTA for the whole route first so I can pick the best track and you'll probably notice that an entire MTTA route WILL validate (if database settings are correct). If weather allows, picking the track with the exit point that the random route chose, you'll likely have no problems. At times, yes...all the time, no. If tracks aren't active and no factor, go with the random route. It works and is efficient.

You use FOMS to enter and remove MEL's don't you? Not so scary... ;-)
 
Be very careful with "IFPS reroute accepted". I've seen some incredibly off the wall routes sent back to me. Also, using the route validation tool on the CFMU website has a hidden feature! It actually logs what flight plans you submit to it so if you get stuck and call Eurocontrol for help they can pull up what you tried and work from there. It's a hell of a lot easier then trying to explain everything.

I've found that of all the controlling agencies, Eurocontrol is actually the easiest to deal with and the rejected errors are actually rather informative as to where you are going wrong, once you figure out how to decrypt the errors...
 
pljenkins said:
Be very careful with "IFPS reroute accepted". I've seen some incredibly off the wall routes sent back to me. Also, using the route validation tool on the CFMU website has a hidden feature! It actually logs what flight plans you submit to it so if you get stuck and call Eurocontrol for help they can pull up what you tried and work from there. It's a hell of a lot easier then trying to explain everything. I've found that of all the controlling agencies, Eurocontrol is actually the easiest to deal with and the rejected errors are actually rather informative as to where you are going wrong, once you figure out how to decrypt the errors...
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I've been told that they charge for these calls now and some employers won't pay for it. Have I been given wrong information?

I've been lucky so far with not getting crazy routes back. But I know what you mean... Just look at the route they give you and if you aren't happy with it, cancel the filing and go with plan B.
 
womanpilot73 said:
We also use NFP. They are a good source as well and I've contacted them at times for help. Make sure that it is set to "warn" on the 170 screen in FOMS. Also, check on the route screen that it's marked to "warn" as well.

To enter IFPS Reroute Accepted in line 18, you click on "Send to ATC" and click "Details", and manually enter it there after remarks. Click send and they will return a route to you via Avinet. Re-run your flight plan with the route they send (usually just a change from entry/exit point depending on your direction of flight) and voila! It's a quick fix when in a time crunch!
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I just checked the 170 screen and we cant enter anything in that screen we can only view it.
 
nyk said:
I just checked the 170 screen and we cant enter anything in that screen we can only view it.
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Hmmm... Well just give them a call or send an email to the support address. They always get right back to me. Tell them you are having trouble getting routes to validate and ask if they can check that your database setting are correct.
 
womanpilot73 said:
Hmmm... Well just give them a call or send an email to the support address. They always get right back to me. Tell them you are having trouble getting routes to validate and ask if they can check that your database setting are correct.
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It is most likely your manager limiting access to FOMS. At my previous shop we had a dispatcher remove an entire aircraft profile....
 
nyk said:
FOMS scares me ! Its so archaic ! I feel like ill mess something in there that will mess up navtech completely !
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I remember about 10 years ago when NavTech promised FOMS was "going away soon." At the time I was at TransMeridian and we were FOMS only flight planning... and we liked it!! Of course the dispatchers had full access ti build just about naything we wanted. Went to World and got to use the GUI... and missed FOMS. We'd complain about the GUI issues we had daily.

Then became a LIDO user... the "You'll never have a non RAD complaint route" feature has yet to kick in and it makes FOMS seem like future tech. But then again since RAD routes can change daily, we can't expect them to re do all those punch cards to change the programming.
 
Hey the best part of Navtech was the ability to edit the dispatchers name to something totally non comprehensible. Also if you had a dispatcher always coming in late to relieve you (and didn't bring donuts) you could set Navtech up to send him a fax at whatever time and whatever day in the future.

Of course I wouldn't know anything about that.
 
pljenkins said:
Be very careful with "IFPS reroute accepted". I've seen some incredibly off the wall routes sent back to me. Also, using the route validation tool on the CFMU website has a hidden feature! It actually logs what flight plans you submit to it so if you get stuck and call Eurocontrol for help they can pull up what you tried and work from there. It's a hell of a lot easier then trying to explain everything.

I've found that of all the controlling agencies, Eurocontrol is actually the easiest to deal with and the rejected errors are actually rather informative as to where you are going wrong, once you figure out how to decrypt the errors...
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womanpilot73 said:
I've been told that they charge for these calls now and some employers won't pay for it. Have I been given wrong information?

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No idea if they charge a carrier for that phone call or not. I have also seen some ridiculous reroutes sent back. We have a pretty good system in place and files with validated routes kept fairly up to date.

We use mostly the ERs through, into, and out of Europe. Some of them can be a little longer than what seems necessary. Off hand I can think of one out of Rome that goes through France and takes a few jogs along the way; it almost looks like they are being vectored into PHL. What I have done is plot the route so I can see it, pull up the validation tool, and go direct from one point to another knowing full well it won't validate. On the protected site, there is an option to "Propose Routes" if it doesn't validate and it usually spits out a decent route.
 
I've been using the RAD page to find my routes from exit point to AMS and its been working well. I normally work nights so I don't usually do the return flights (AMS-MIA). I got curious and decided to look for return routes from AMS to the NAT tracks and didn't find anything going in that direction which I found weird. Am I missing something?! Please help!!
 
nyk said:
I've been using the RAD page to find my routes from exit point to AMS and its been working well. I normally work nights so I don't usually do the return flights (AMS-MIA). I got curious and decided to look for return routes from AMS to the NAT tracks and didn't find anything going in that direction which I found weird. Am I missing something?! Please help!!
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Again, I would run a MTTA first and see if it validates. If so, use the track based on the entry point that the MTTA route chose. Shouldn't have any problems...
 
What about routes through Europe (not landing in Europe)? The RADs page doesn't really cover this so I'm going to assume that it would be in the Jepp charts for the arrival city but if its not landing in Europe would they still have it in there? My resources here are very limited.
 
nyk said:
What about routes through Europe (not landing in Europe)? The RADs page doesn't really cover this so I'm going to assume that it would be in the Jepp charts for the arrival city but if its not landing in Europe would they still have it in there? My resources here are very limited.
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Mainly it's trial and error. There is no magic "route manual" for traversing through Europe. If you need help, either access the secured portal of CFMU, or call Eurocontrol.
 
PlaneFan82 said:
Mainly it's trial and error. There is no magic "route manual" for traversing through Europe. If you need help, either access the secured portal of CFMU, or call Eurocontrol.
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I actually took on a challenege doing a route from FCO to JFK going through Paris airspace and I think I got a reject message from IFPS for over an hour. I looked on the RADs page and didn't find anything as far as preferred routes. I also did one from CDG and couldnt find a route from that page and end of the track to an STAR so I kind of got a little frustrated. I knew there was a reason I never wanted to go to Paris lol
 
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