Era/Ravn/Corvus Safety and the NTSB

On the face of it it looks like they're trying to throw paperwork at the problem. Safety programs and operational control training. I'm sure that'll fix the problem.
 
ppragman said:
Which operators are you referring to? I mean, there really aren't any in any position to pick up the slack if Era goes bye bye
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I think if Era did go away and someone was able to pick up the slack, they'd be buying Hagland's 1900s and Era's -8s and then hiring all of the pilots just let go to do the same exact job just with a different name on the side.
Also, I think as the article mentions Era holds one of 4(?) 121 certs in the state. I don't think NAC or Lynden would be interested. Maybe PenAir.
 
z987k said:
I think if Era did go away and someone was able to pick up the slack, they'd be buying Hagland's 1900s and Era's -8s and then hiring all of the pilots just let go to do the same exact job just with a different name on the side.
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Has happened before, though maybe not on that scale.
 
Seggy said:
I'm sure the companies doing it right would have no problem picking up the slack as y'all enter the busy season.
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Honestly I dont think there is anybody to pick up the slack. Especially out west. Bering might be able to pick up in Kotzebue and maybe Nome. Out of Bethel Yute and Grant might be able to pick up some slack but not all of it. We certainly wouldnt be able to pick up the slack in Aniak. And St. Marys would lose out.
 
ppragman said:
Which operators are you referring to? I mean, there really aren't any in any position to pick up the slack if Era goes bye bye
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He doesn't know. He pretends to. I don't know. I've only flown a Lear 45 in western ak 15'ish hours and king salmon a few times. All in the ifr environment. I don't pretend to know. Again, he won't respond to me, he never does. He likes to play victim. The only thing I know, from the report posted is, in the lower 48 a dash stalled and hit the ground. In ak a dash stalled and there weren't any injuries. Just sayin. :) stir.
 
PositionAndHold said:
He doesn't know. He pretends to. I don't know. I've only flown a Lear 45 in western ak 15'ish hours and king salmon a few times. All in the ifr environment. I don't pretend to know. Again, he won't respond to me, he never does. He likes to play victim. The only thing I know, from the report posted is, in the lower 48 a dash stalled and hit the ground. In ak a dash stalled and there weren't any injuries. Just sayin. :) stir.
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You look at what the NTSB said? They said someone outside of Alaska needs to come up there to work on Era. I've been told on here numerous times "you don't understand....Alaska", well the NTSB is supporting the fact that an operator needs someone from the outside to fix things. Which to me solidifies some of the attitudes I've seen from the Alaska Flying Club. For crying out loud folks are trying to be cute talking about "hypothetical" situations on other threads. Yeah. Ok.

If other operators can't pick up the slack the proper way, lost revenue for them.
 
z987k said:
The statewide economic impact would be substantial. You can't drive there.
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You already get tax payer dollars to live there. I'm sure the state will find a way to get more federal tax payer dollars to fund any loss.
 
Seems like the FAA tore through Era pretty hard two crashes ago. It's will be interesting to see what the latest crash and this write up from the NTSB will spur the Feds to do. Rumor floating around the last couple days has been Feds from dc are showing up in the State
 
Seggy said:
You look at what the NTSB said? They said someone outside of Alaska needs to come up there to work on Era. I've been told on here numerous times "you don't understand....Alaska", well the NTSB is supporting the fact that an operator needs someone from the outside to fix things. Which to me solidifies some of the attitudes I've seen from the Alaska Flying Club. For crying out loud folks are trying to be cute talking about "hypothetical" situations on other threads. Yeah. Ok.

If other operators can't pick up the slack the proper way, lost revenue for them.
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Dude. Have you ever operated in the airspace as pic? I have and don't have any idea what happens day to day with regards to ak ops. Last time they cleared us for the appch was out of fl370. Did you read the report? If not, it said some one needs audit the FAA as much as the operator. Like, hmmmmm colgan maybe.
 
PositionAndHold said:
Dude. Have you ever operated in the airspace as pic? I have and don't have any idea what happens day to day with regards to ak ops. Last time they cleared us for the appch was out of fl370. Did you read the report? If not, it said some one needs audit the FAA as much as the operator. Like, hmmmmm colgan maybe.
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Does it matter I never operated in their airspace? Didn't the NTSB solidify the point that OUTSIDE perspective is needed? Don't you see that I have been giving my outside perspective, yet I am told, "Alaska".

In my opinion the FAA got off waaaaay to easy in their oversight of Colgan so nice try there.

There seems to be a lot of winking and nodding in some of the 'ask the Captain' threads that pertain to Alaska about "hypothetical" situations. That's all.
 
Seggy said:
Does it matter I never operated in their airspace? Didn't the NTSB solidify the point that OUTSIDE perspective is needed? Don't you see that I have been giving my outside perspective, yet I am told, "Alaska".

In my opinion the FAA got off waaaaay to easy in their oversight of Colgan so nice try there.

There seems to be a lot of winking and nodding in some of the 'ask the Captain' threads that pertain to Alaska about "hypothetical" situations. That's all.
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Yeah. Like outside perspective from a different fsdo/ntsb. Not another operator. So if XJT et al picked up colgans slack, every thing would've been kosher?

Not sure what you mean by hypothetical. I've been there, have you? On a cruise ship maybe?
 
Seggy said:
You get money from the government to live there, do you not?
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If you meet a some conditions you might get money from the state, of which 0% is federal. It's called the permanent fund dividend and since there is no income tax... it's not exactly like they're taxing everyone and then giving it away. It mostly comes from the taxing of oil and mineral extraction, investing, and the returns on the investment averaged and returned to the people who's land is being mined.
Interestingly enough because of the PFD, I think Alaska has the most progressive tax system in the country.
 
z987k said:
If you meet a some conditions you might get money from the state, of which 0% is federal. It's called the permanent fund dividend and since there is no income tax... it's not exactly like they're taxing everyone and then giving it away. It mostly comes from the taxing of oil and mineral extraction, investing, and the returns on the investment averaged and returned to the people who's land is being mined.
Interestingly enough because of the PFD, I think Alaska has the most progressive tax system in the country.
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Lets not confuse rumor with facts ok. It's the internet. :)
 
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