Era/Ravn/Corvus Safety and the NTSB
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Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Some hilights:
You all have been very naughty, the FAA allowed it, and now you're all going to have to stay after school.
You all have been very naughty, the FAA allowed it, and now you're all going to have to stay after school.
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Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Well, the Federales have some 'splaining to do too--the recommendations specifically state that the actions be taken by someone outside of Alaska. (In other words: the fox was guarding the chicken coop...)
ShortField
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Should make for a fun summer.
Seggy
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Not surprising.
Explain.
z987k
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Seggy
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I've been told I can't talk about Alaska because 'I'm not up there' and 'I wouldn't understand.' Some guy on here who used to work for them was basically told to 'shut up' as well.
Well, the NTSB basically said that outside help is needed to fix things with this operator. Considering I've seen a very defensive attitude towards the flying in Alaska, it wasn't hard to see coming.
z987k
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I don't think you'll find an Alaskan pilot on here that disagrees with that NTSB report. I wouldn't have been surprised if it recommended emergency revocation. Possibly the only reason it doesn't is the economic impact such an action would have.
PositionAndHold
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I think the other reason is the culpability of the FAA. If the Feds had every thing in order and it was still going on that's one thing. But for the PAI to miss some pretty major inspections, (among other FSDO and POI shenanigans) it's hard for all the blame to lie with the operator. I think this is the NTSB's way of smacking both their.....knuckles. Carry on with the seggy thinking he knows all and every one else telling him he doesn't. Let the measuring begin, standard international penis measuring rules apply.
Seggy
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I'm sure the companies doing it right would have no problem picking up the slack as y'all enter the busy season.
PositionAndHold
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Aaaannnd it starts.
At first glance, this kind of reminds me of the FAA's approach that lead to the Colgan accident in '09. In that case, they ignored significant warning signs until a high profile accident resulted in them being publicly called out by the NTSB and Congress, and forced changes to be made.
I realize that small airplanes flying in rural AK are probably going to be involved in incidents at a higher rate than would be seen in the lower 48, but when there's a pattern of accidents very close together that seem to indicate pilot error or poor decision making, it doesn't make a lot of sense for the FAA (especially the POI(s) involved) to just let those airlines keep doing business as usual.
I realize that small airplanes flying in rural AK are probably going to be involved in incidents at a higher rate than would be seen in the lower 48, but when there's a pattern of accidents very close together that seem to indicate pilot error or poor decision making, it doesn't make a lot of sense for the FAA (especially the POI(s) involved) to just let those airlines keep doing business as usual.
hook_dupin
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Can the NTSB tell the FAA to go do anything?
Words like "The NTSB urges the FAA," "We would appreciate receiving a response...," and "We encourage you to submit..." read like the NTSB is publicly calling out the FAA in a way that the NTSB can later defend itself in front of Congress.
If the FAA laid the fire on HoTH and did some internal clean-up, but never answered back ...then this probably goes away.
Words like "The NTSB urges the FAA," "We would appreciate receiving a response...," and "We encourage you to submit..." read like the NTSB is publicly calling out the FAA in a way that the NTSB can later defend itself in front of Congress.
If the FAA laid the fire on HoTH and did some internal clean-up, but never answered back ...then this probably goes away.
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NTSB cannot order the FAA to do anything regarding accident investigations. They aren't an enforcement body. By law, they only make recommendations for actions, routine or urgent, based on their investigative findings. That is so their recommendations are documented, as well as the actions taken by the parties they are making the recommendations to. Whether the recommendations are still open or closed, and whether the response/actions completed were acceptable or unacceptable to the NTSB. The actions taken can be exactly what the NTSB recommended or can be alternative action. Again, all of this is documented for official recordkeeping; most especially if another accident occurs and one of the findings was something the NTSB recommended, but was not complied with.
ppragman
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Which operators are you referring to? I mean, there really aren't any in any position to pick up the slack if Era goes bye bye