Envoy TA Voting: The Better Part of Valor

[dasleben]

Blame business school.

A lot of the screening moved from more "salt of the earth" style "Yeah, this guy would be a good team member, interview him" to efficiency experts, corporate psychobabble like 86.325% of people that use the phrase "abstract" in their electronic cover letter have a 52.925% higher probability of not having work place reliability issues at some levels.

I dunno man, I'm just a guy who does his job, goes home, grows a beard, and forgets how to fly airplanes until the next time he rolls into the cockpit. Totally middle-of-the-road, and probably why I'm not at the top of anyone's call list.

 

[Trip7]

I just needed him to say for everyone, "no I didn't actually do any of this stuff that I'm telling guys to do." Is it a secret on this board Trip went right seat rj to Delta? If it is I apologize. You give these one sentence cryptic answers sometimes and I assume there's a method to your madness.

There's a couple guys on here that walked the walk, and a lot of cheerleaders who haven't. Maybe after this many pages you'd all agree to disagree and support them either way.

I just needed him to say for everyone, "no I didn't actually do any of this stuff that I'm telling guys to do." Is it a secret on this board Trip went right seat rj to Delta? If it is I apologize. You give these one sentence cryptic answers sometimes and I assume there's a method to your madness.

There's a couple guys on here that walked the walk, and a lot of cheerleaders who haven't. Maybe after this many pages you'd all agree to disagree and support them either way.

No, I didn't make a lateral move. There's quite a few folks here that have "walked the walk" and less cheerleaders. As far as I can tell on this thread, I'm the only "cheerleader" that hasn't made the lateral move that is backing up those that have "walked the walk". Moreover, you're overlooking the consensus on here that there is too much movement and opportunity out there right now to complain about your current situation. If you want to ride it out, by all means ride it out and seek alternative means of career advancement, because whining on JC about how PSA lowered the bar is not the solution.

 

[derg]

I dunno man, I'm just a guy who does his job, goes home, grows a beard, and forgets how to fly airplanes until the next time he rolls into the cockpit. Totally middle-of-the-road, and probably why I'm not at the top of anyone's call list.

I've watched your career. You've got far more "oomph" and drive than you're leading on here.

That would be like me saying "Yeah man, got out of college, ate a lot of tacos and here I am the captain of the bus. Just chilling out, working on the fro and scoopin' dog poop in the backyard"

 

[dasleben]

I've watched your career. You've got far more "oomph" and drive than you're leading on here.

That would be like me saying "Yeah man, got out of college, ate a lot of tacos and here I am the captain of the bus. Just chilling out, working on the fro and scoopin' dog poop in the backyard"

Fair enough, and I appreciate it. Just mildly jaded and low energy after working for 4 airlines so far.

 

[derg]

Fair enough, and I appreciate it. Just mildly jaded and low energy after working for 4 airlines so far.

Don't be. You've done very well.

Next time you play the "I'm jaded, I'm on my fourth airline" line on the internet, I'm going to take your bearded ass to meet some of my cohorts who cut their teeth in the deregulation era with the TWA's, Pan Ams, Easterns and Braniffs that are tugging gear for a precocious 43 year old man-child.

 

[jynxyjoe]

No, I didn't make a lateral move.

There's quite a few folks here that have "walked the walk" and less cheerleaders.

If you want to ride it out, by all means ride it out and seek alternative means of career advancement, because whining on JC about how PSA lowered the bar is not the solution.

I think you mean, "they want to ride it out" I'm not in that "you". I can't overlook the consensus while im railing against it Trip.

Other than that I agree with parts of the above.

Serious question: you think you're the only one on this thread who has made it to something bigger than an rj without lateral moves to a regional who is also telling guys they are wrong for staying put? Seriously, this many pages? Now I don't think anyone else this thread graduated from RJs without even sitting in the left seat of something larger than a Seminole, and never made a lateral move, who is also bemoaning these guys staying put, but that's a big ven diagram I can't draw.

By pointing out both, my hope is guys either stir up some empathy in their hearts for these guys who are being asked to shoulder a lot by doing both and realise they made it just fine doing only one or neither.

 

[derg]

When I was in school for the 320, we had a fairly open environment where we could drop by and mingle with the new guys in between classes. Also, there was a Wednesday evening hosted happy hour at the training hotel where it was guys going through initial and upgrade mixed in with the new hires to rub elbows and such.

There are a lot more pilots getting hired who have never seen the left seat than conventional internet wisdom would suggest.

Hell, I talked to someone who didn't even have a letter of recommendation on file, not a lick of 121 experience, sub-30 years old who got the interview invite as well.

 

[Trip7]

I think you mean, "they want to ride it out" I'm not in that "you". I can't overlook the consensus while im railing against it Trip.

Other than that I agree with parts of the above.

Serious question: you think you're the only one on this thread who has made it to something bigger than an rj without lateral moves to a regional who is also telling guys they are wrong for staying put? Seriously, this many pages? Now I don't think anyone else this thread graduated from RJs without even sitting in the left seat of something larger than a Seminole, and never made a lateral move, who is also bemoaning these guys staying put, but that's a big ven diagram I can't draw.

By pointing out both, my hope is guys either stir up some empathy in their hearts for these guys who are being asked to shoulder a lot by doing both and realise they made it just fine doing only one or neither.

Correct I meant "you" hypothetically not specifically you @jynxyjoe

Everything else agreed.

 

[jynxyjoe]

Correct I meant "you" hypothetically not specifically you @jynxyjoe

Everything else agreed.

Rogah

 

[jtrain609]

When I was in school for the 320, we had a fairly open environment where we could drop by and mingle with the new guys in between classes. Also, there was a Wednesday evening hosted happy hour at the training hotel where it was guys going through initial and upgrade mixed in with the new hires to rub elbows and such.

There are a lot more pilots getting hired who have never seen the left seat than conventional internet wisdom would suggest.

Hell, I talked to someone who didn't even have a letter of recommendation on file, not a lick of 121 experience, sub-30 years old who got the interview invite as well.

The two off the street delta hires I know had resumes that make me look like a poorly educated rube, and I generally find I can hold my own in most academic circles.

 

[jynxyjoe]

There are a lot more pilots getting hired who have never seen the left seat than conventional internet wisdom would suggest.

Hell, I talked to someone who didn't even have a letter of recommendation on file, not a lick of 121 experience, sub-30 years old who got the interview invite as well.

Ok so should guys move on to the new hotness or not Derg?

Either way, thank you for providing these guys that are worried about their future, and can't figure out how to make PSA/TSA work for them, some hope they might make it anyway even though they didn't chase thr upgrade.

For those of you paying attention, I chased the upgrade, got it, got my 1000, got my decoder ring in the mail, have a boeing type, still haven't figured out the perfect mix of hard work and timing. No I havent crashed any airplanes, no duis and not a training dept problem.

Own a house, married with a beautiful family, volunteer on days off, doing ehat I can but no luck yet. It'll happen for me, itll happen for all of you too as long as you work hard and stay positive (or a jynxyjoe version of optimistic realism).

 

[Roger Roger]

Ok so should guys move on to the new hotness or not Derg?

Either way, thank you for providing these guys that are worried about their future, and can't figure out how to make PSA/TSA work for them, some hope they might make it anyway even though they didn't chase thr upgrade.

For those of you paying attention, I chased the upgrade, got it, got my 1000, got my decoder ring in the mail, have a boeing type, still haven't figured out the perfect mix of hard work and timing. No I havent crashed any airplanes, no duis and not a training dept problem.

Own a house, married with a beautiful family, volunteer on days off, doing ehat I can but no luck yet. It'll happen for me, itll happen for all of you too as long as you work hard and stay positive (or a jynxyjoe version of optimistic realism).

Obviously it's because you haven't signed enough concessionary contracts.

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

Kinda funny, I got chatting with an Alaska pilot in ANC recently. Alaska isn't exactly on my radar (would be a nice place to work, but lots of pilots getting hired there now really want it, have wanted it since they were kids, and have the connections to prove it), but I asked him: "What's Alaska looking for these days?"

Him: "People who'll give up all their personal time to go chase around job fairs, and fluff their resume with community service just to impress us. Personally, I'd rather we just hire pilots."

I wish HR departments thought like him!

There's something to be said for hiring the hungry ones first. Who would you rather hire, the guy who is hungry and makes it happen or the guy who sits on his ass and thinks he's entitled to a job because he has a quadrillion hours flying from the ATL to Chattanooga?

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

Blame business school.

A lot of the screening moved from more "salt of the earth" style "Yeah, this guy would be a good team member, interview him" to efficiency experts, corporate psychobabble like 86.325% of people that use the phrase "abstract" in their electronic cover letter have a 52.925% higher probability of not having work place reliability issues at some levels.

This I agree with. But I'm betting in my example the hungry guy and the good fit guy are the same person.

 

[jynxyjoe]

Obviously it's because you haven't signed enough concessionary contracts.

One wasn't enough? I refused any part of the pinnacle TA1 stupidity they wanted to bring to the JCBA, does that cancel it out or something? I promise I'm a pushover, I'll say yes to nearly anything.

My first airline was the worst paying non union one out there, unless you count Gulfstream/Silver who made their FOs pay for their job. Well I suppose great mistakes was worse and big sky. Maybe not big sky... idk.

What have I got to do for you man?

By the way to the PSA guys, I'm a yes voter from Endeavor and I was the whipping boy of the industry for a while, it is your turn now, and then it won't be.

The regionals are going to shrink massively and if you can bet right and be on the one or two that will grow while the others collapse you'll look like a genius. Good luck to everyone, especially if you stick it out and your airline gets tapped for the next 60 jets.

 

[dasleben]

There's something to be said for hiring the hungry ones first. Who would you rather hire, the guy who is hungry and makes it happen or the guy who sits on his ass and thinks he's entitled to a job because he has a quadrillion hours flying from the ATL to Chattanooga?

 

[Kingairer]

If yall were willing to vote to burn it down before, then what changed? Just vote NO and put Envoy out of its misery.

 

[derg]

Ok so should guys move on to the new hotness or not Derg?

That's a question that I can't answer.

I see it like this. We're all misfits that got into aviation for a particular reason. We're pirates, swashbucklers, deviants, risk takers, the last guy at the bar and all that ridiculous stuff the nonsensical webmaster at pilotstrike.com waxed poetic about.

But for some reason, at some point, that all goes away.

We put on 40 lbs, buy a set of dad jeans, surf the internet and complain about our lack of progress and have online penis measuring contests.

It depends on what you want.

My only advice is to "stay hungry" but don't confuse frustration with hunger.

This is certainly some libtard college pie-in-the-sky vegan eater but still wears leather sandals with a moleskin hackysack blond hair dreadlock crap, but from the motto of the blog "The Heretic": Semper curre, nunquam ambula. (Always run, never walk)

 

[derg]

There's something to be said for hiring the hungry ones first. Who would you rather hire, the guy who is hungry and makes it happen or the guy who sits on his ass and thinks he's entitled to a job because he has a quadrillion hours flying from the ATL to Chattanooga?

I want the hungry ones.

I really don't care to spend hours in the cockpit, over the ocean, enroute to a four-day FCO layover hearing a new hire bitch about how pissed he and his girlfriend were that he didn't get the weekend off and how good his schedule at Skywest was. #truestorybro

If weekends and holidays off are of utmost importance, well, let's just say if you run a catering business, you'd better like cooking.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

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