Envoy TA Voting: The Better Part of Valor

Derg said:
Drop the mic.

There is an ass-ton of opportunity out there. Hell, one guy I know literally was in the process of getting laid off to getting a phone call for an unexpected interview.

People need to put down the Facebook and the Xbox then get themselves out there looking for it.

I haven't seen things rolling like this in a long time and by the time people recognize just what's going on right now and have gotten off their lazy butts to position themselves for success (preparation, hitting the prerequisites and APPLYING) the wave may be over.

And then they're back on the internet bitching.

Snap it up, it's there for the taking… today.
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What's that about luck....?

Luck = When preparation meets opportunity
 
Derg said:
Pie is delicious.

Apple lattice and about seven hundred… thousand... burpees will maybe burn it off.
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Dude. I have got the pie-burning set of exercises for you...

...granted, you're likely to die doing them (I still haven't gotten through the set without taking a rest) but I swear it will burn fat, muscle, tendons, tires, churches....
 
jynxyjoe said:
"Backing up others" looks different. No one here is saying guys that went to Compass is a bad move. What is being said here or infered here is that guys are lazy or otherwise because they won't. You're simply backing up that crap, and you're not alone. This board has issues.

You don't know what some of these guys are dealing with. I've made lateral moves for the upgrade, and I know how scary it is. I support guys either way, because there are cases where it works, either road you take.
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I happened to roll the hard six by walking away from Eagle back when it was called Eagle. It worked out staggeringly well for me and sooner or later I will sit on the left where I work, but I didn't leave Eagle so that I could sit on the left sooner. I left mainly for quality of life (commuting to NYC is not in the cards, not for a regional airline), and quite accidentally other interesting things are happening to my career too. I was lucky. I still am.

The only guys who can count on a (__) year upgrade are the guys who are upgrading today. (Our time will probably drop since we simply didn't hire a lot of pilots for a few years. Probably.) It's a gamble. Should you choose to make a lateral move, include at least as much vertical motion in it as is possible, and be choosy. I'm treated well and paid well to be where I am now; should the music stop (Ebola anyone?), I'll manage.

We can discuss the case of some folks I fly with, who have many thousands hours TPIC who can't get the phone call (and yes, they've applied, shaken the hands, walked the walk and talked the talk) too. It's not enough.
 
jynxyjoe said:
"Backing up others" looks different. No one here is saying guys that went to Compass is a bad move. What is being said here or infered here is that guys are lazy or otherwise because they won't. You're simply backing up that crap, and you're not alone. This board has issues.

You don't know what some of these guys are dealing with. I've made lateral moves for the upgrade, and I know how scary it is. I support guys either way, because there are cases where it works, either road you take.

Move on if you can guys, just make sure if you're going to wait you keep saving somehow for if the regional you're at pancakes (but that's no different than any other time).
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Well you are inferring wrong. Nobody here is saying one is lazy for not making a lateral move. If one aims to just hang on and attend every job fair with ferocity fine.

I'm a big believer of taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves. The two biggest opportunities out there right now are the lateral move to high growth regionals and job fairs. If someone takes advantage of both they are putting them self in an excellent position to succeed. But either or will work.

Oh and there is nothing wrong with this board. I for one am thoroughly enjoying watching members transform from college students to CFI pilot to RJ pilot to Mainline pilot. And many more to come. Besides we need more threads about Boeing vs Airbus and less threads about RJ FO pay caps
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I happened to roll the hard six by walking away from Eagle back when it was called Eagle. It worked out staggeringly well for me and sooner or later I will sit on the left where I work, but I didn't leave Eagle so that I could sit on the left sooner. I left mainly for quality of life (commuting to NYC is not in the cards, not for a regional airline), and quite accidentally other interesting things are happening to my career too. I was lucky. I still am.

The only guys who can count on a (__) year upgrade are the guys who are upgrading today. (Our time will probably drop since we simply didn't hire a lot of pilots for a few years. Probably.) It's a gamble. Should you choose to make a lateral move, include at least as much vertical motion in it as is possible, and be choosy. I'm treated well and paid well to be where I am now; should the music stop (Ebola anyone?), I'll manage.

We can discuss the case of some folks I fly with, who have many thousands hours TPIC who can't get the phone call (and yes, they've applied, shaken the hands, walked the walk and talked the talk) too. It's not enough.
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Yeah and at this point airlines can be choosy. They want who they want for the first run of classes. Pilots have to be flipping realistic. You're not all special snowflakes, some of you are middle of the pack choices because you'd rather be home with your wife and kids.

That's ok, we're all going to have a shot at a career airline someday and even when you make it to Delta, United, American, or whoever you're still going to go through bankruptcy or furloughs.

Life's checklist:
-Are you happy? .... check
End life checklist
 
Derg said:
"Rush to defend" Hmm, ok. That's certainly a new one.

Oh, sarcasm methinks!

Or not. I don't know.

What? :)
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I just needed him to say for everyone, "no I didn't actually do any of this stuff that I'm telling guys to do." Is it a secret on this board Trip went right seat rj to Delta? If it is I apologize. You give these one sentence cryptic answers sometimes and I assume there's a method to your madness.

There's a couple guys on here that walked the walk, and a lot of cheerleaders who haven't. Maybe after this many pages you'd all agree to disagree and support them either way.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Overall, yup. And there are some changes that I'm making to make that statement even more true.
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Absolutely. The regional collapse and the Delta Endeavor nonsense was giving me a headache. Wasn't happy, changed, happy.

Now I have a better resume, but no calls wanting my butt in class tomorrow for given airline. No happy. So now I pay someone to put a shine on everything and turn my stories into more than bandcamp stories.

Other guys like what they are doing they jut wnat to make more.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Yeah and at this point airlines can be choosy. They want who they want for the first run of classes. Pilots have to be flipping realistic. You're not all special snowflakes, some of you are middle of the pack choices because you'd rather be home with your wife and kids.

That's ok, we're all going to have a shot at a career airline someday and even when you make it to Delta, United, American, or whoever you're still going to go through bankruptcy or furloughs.

Life's checklist:
-Are you happy? .... check
End life checklist
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Kinda funny, I got chatting with an Alaska pilot in ANC recently. Alaska isn't exactly on my radar (would be a nice place to work, but lots of pilots getting hired there now really want it, have wanted it since they were kids, and have the connections to prove it), but I asked him: "What's Alaska looking for these days?"

Him: "People who'll give up all their personal time to go chase around job fairs, and fluff their resume with community service just to impress us. Personally, I'd rather we just hire pilots."

I wish HR departments thought like him!
 
dasleben said:
Kinda funny, I got chatting with an Alaska pilot in ANC recently. Alaska isn't exactly on my radar (would be a nice place to work, but lots of pilots getting hired there now really want it, have wanted it since they were kids, and have the connections to prove it), but I asked him: "What's Alaska looking for these days?"

Him: "People who'll give up all their personal time to go chase around job fairs, and fluff their resume with community service just to impress us. Personally, I'd rather we just hire pilots."

I wish HR departments thought like him!
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Dont...don't. ..don't muscle in on my woman laser eyes.
 
jynxyjoe said:
@dasleben is it wrong to work for an airline that prints money?
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Of course not. I work for one, in fact. We just need a contract that reflects that (soon, I hope).

No competition from me for Alaska, if that's what you want. I don't know anyone there, and that's what it takes (local ties help, I'm told).
 
dasleben said:
Kinda funny, I got chatting with an Alaska pilot in ANC recently. Alaska isn't exactly on my radar (would be a nice place to work, but lots of pilots getting hired there now really want it, have wanted it since they were kids, and have the connections to prove it), but I asked him: "What's Alaska looking for these days?"

Him: "People who'll give up all their personal time to go chase around job fairs, and fluff their resume with community service just to impress us. Personally, I'd rather we just hire pilots."

I wish HR departments thought like him!
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Blame business school.

A lot of the screening moved from more "salt of the earth" style "Yeah, this guy would be a good team member, interview him" to efficiency experts, corporate psychobabble like 86.325% of people that use the phrase "abstract" in their electronic cover letter have a 52.925% higher probability of not having work place reliability issues at some levels.
 
Derg said:
Blame business school.

A lot of the screening moved from more "salt of the earth" style "Yeah, this guy would be a good team member, interview him" to efficiency experts, corporate psychobabble like 86.325% of people that use the phrase "abstract" in their electronic cover letter have a 52.925% higher probability of not having work place reliability issues at some levels.
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What's doubly interesting is that I won't be caught dead using any B-school speak - under any circumstances, and still have significantly above average personal reliability.
 
jynxyjoe said:
I just needed him to say for everyone, "no I didn't actually do any of this stuff that I'm telling guys to do." Is it a secret on this board Trip went right seat rj to Delta? If it is I apologize. You give these one sentence cryptic answers sometimes and I assume there's a method to your madness.

There's a couple guys on here that walked the walk, and a lot of cheerleaders who haven't. Maybe after this many pages you'd all agree to disagree and support them either way.
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I'm struggling to 'solve for X' here, but what is the 'walk' and what is the 'talk'?

Granted I just got up and found myself in the middle of some backchannel website stuff so my attention in woefully divided, but don't "carpet bomb", really get in there and be specific.
 
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