Envoy July 2025

I Like IKE said:
I would caution anyone from going to Envoy anymore. They are openly antagonistic to their dispatchers, are fighting any kind of pay raise, even though crew scheduling makes more, and now they are preventing qualified candidates from moving on to AA even when they are overstaffed. They're shooting themselves in the foot and acting like they're brilliant business people. They're no longer worth the low pay. I'd avoid them at all costs.
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Envoy wasn’t great, but it was nowhere near as bad as Compass was. A big problem at Envoy right now is that Union leadership went from bad to worse. Before they only took care of the lifers while the current leadership seems to be just giving away the farm at every opportunity. It’s very reminiscent of Endeavor Pre-COVID where Union leadership ran that group into the ground.

As far as holding people back from AA, that’s been their game for the better part of a decade. As someone that played that game, you just have to be cognizant of what can happen if you stand out too much. The main victims were normally instructors or trainers, but they normally limited that to the junior cadre.

Also from what I’ve been told by people at Envoy, their staffing is lower than management wants it to be.
 
Pancake said:
Envoy wasn’t great, but it was nowhere near as bad as Compass was. A big problem at Envoy right now is that Union leadership went from bad to worse. Before they only took care of the lifers while the current leadership seems to be just giving away the farm at every opportunity. It’s very reminiscent of Endeavor Pre-COVID where Union leadership ran that group into the ground.

As far as holding people back from AA, that’s been their game for the better part of a decade. As someone that played that game, you just have to be cognizant of what can happen if you stand out too much. The main victims were normally instructors or trainers, but they normally limited that to the junior cadre.

Also from what I’ve been told by people at Envoy, their staffing is lower than management wants it to be.
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Management is trying to inflate their staffing to eliminate overtime so they can put more pressure on the dispatch group to accept a smaller pay raise than they deserve. They've had multiple shifts with up to 3 floaters. Meaning people who didn't even have a desk to sit at. And they still have more people in OJT and classroom, along with those who haven't started yet.
Make no mistake, they can afford to have lost everyone that AA wanted to take.
And it's bad enough for them to limit the number unjustifiably, but if they are blocking specific people who are highly qualified, that's getting into unfair labor practice territory. Something Envoy has been doing for years, ever since I worked the ramp for Envoy and they deducted 30 mins for lunch from our checks without actually giving us a lunch.
Thus my caution. It was understandable to put up with some of that to get the fast track to AA. It's not worth it anymore.
 
7700! said:
I will agree Envoy is very open about hating their dispatchers, however in my personal opinion I do not believe they hold back qualified candidates from AA. 6 were hired from Envoy this go around and unlike some years, they were a good bunch,
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As someone who worked at envoy and saw multiple AA hiring cycles, they 100% have a massive input on who goes to AA and who doesn’t. Some cycles are better than others but some cycles they are blatantly obvious there’s manipulation going on with the interview / offer process.
 
7700! said:
I will agree Envoy is very open about hating their dispatchers, however in my personal opinion I do not believe they hold back qualified candidates from AA. 6 were hired from Envoy this go around and unlike some years, they were a good bunch,
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Definitely not meaning to say that the 6 that were chosen don't deserve it. I've heard they are a good bunch too, and look forward to working with them.
 
10 hour classroom days, normally 4 days a week however that can change due to classroom reservations (crew scheduling, recurrent training, ect). You do get an hour for lunch and multiple breaks through out.

We just completed our fall bid. Everyone, to include those currently in classroom training, has a line. The next class will be on relief lines as they are taking over the AA departures.
 
Puckgoalie said:
10 hour classroom days, normally 4 days a week however that can change due to classroom reservations (crew scheduling, recurrent training, ect). You do get an hour for lunch and multiple breaks through out.

We just completed our fall bid. Everyone, to include those currently in classroom training, has a line. The next class will be on relief lines as they are taking over the AA departures.
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Any news if they’ll have a second class for the waitlisted people?
 
7700! said:
I will agree Envoy is very open about hating their dispatchers, however in my personal opinion I do not believe they hold back qualified candidates from AA. 6 were hired from Envoy this go around and unlike some years, they were a good bunch,
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What about the dispatchers who are exceptional and have been held from AA for 3-5 years? They most certainly hold back candidates and if you cant see that, you dont know enough about how that place operates.
 
If you're at the point in your career you should be at a major, and are putting up with a company not letting you go to one particular major for years when you supposedly deserve it, you're doing something wrong.

It's a company, they're going to squeeze the most out of you they can get away with.
 
ModeCFail said:
What about the dispatchers who are exceptional and have been held from AA for 3-5 years? They most certainly hold back candidates and if you cant see that, you dont know enough about how that place operates.
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Maybe they’re not as great as they think they are, or they don’t interview well.
 
CrashesDrones said:
If you're at the point in your career you should be at a major, and are putting up with a company not letting you go to one particular major for years when you supposedly deserve it, you're doing something wrong.

It's a company, they're going to squeeze the most out of you they can get away with.
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Please tell me, what do you suggest a person "stuck" in this situation should do? Perhaps go to another one ofthe well-known regional airlines in their area? Oh wait...

It's not a mystery why people feel stuck, and why the companies continue getting away with operating under the current structure.
 
BingoZingo said:
Please tell me, what do you suggest a person "stuck" in this situation should do? Perhaps go to another one ofthe well-known regional airlines in their area? Oh wait...

It's not a mystery why people feel stuck, and why the companies continue getting away with operating under the current structure.
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Go somewhere that's not AA. If you're that good, surely in the last 5 years you've had offers from DL, UA, WN? UPS or FedEx? One of the WFH options? Even if AA is where you really want to end up, if it's not happening you need to try something different.

Otherwise it just sounds like "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."
 
ModeCFail said:
What about the dispatchers who are exceptional and have been held from AA for 3-5 years? They most certainly hold back candidates and if you cant see that, you dont know enough about how that place operates.
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If you’re not getting to AA from Envoy at 5 years, it’s not because you’re being held back. You’ve been black balled by someone at AA for some reason and it’s time for you to find somewhere else to aim for.

I know a couple of the “young” lifers at MQ and each of them have a very specific reason why AA doesn’t want them (assuming they aren’t choosing to stay at MQ). If you haven’t torched your career hard enough yet, you might be able to make it to somewhere that doesn’t typically hire from MQ.
 
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