Endeavor joins the training contract party

No way those places could exist these days. The huge surplus fleet of airplanes is gone, and your only option is to get Cessna 172s at usurious prices. When big money like Flightsafety can't make a go of it, instead blaming it on accreditation because people need "student" loans not personal loans or out of pocket, then something is wrong in the industry, and it smells like tax harvesting & rental property. It's entered the doom cycle.
The flight school I work at had a 172 that had a crash landing by a student. It messed up the firewall, nose gear and engine. The owner bought it back from the insurance company and is going to get it repaired. The engine on it was almost timed out so he was going to spend that money anyway.
 
The big brain play is to cooperate, graduate. If you have something extra to contribute to help make things better, there is usually an avenue for suggesting it to them...once. After you're told things are the way they are, we have "top men" working on it, or any other indication your help is neither needed nor desired, then it's time to tuck, roll, grab your time and split.

If you simply can't draw within those lines or otherwise run afoul of whatever process is in place, then yea, it's best to just take off.

Most places in money harvest mode have the system set up the way it is for a reason. Either it's calculated to separate money from people in an efficient manner and/or they simply have no wish to expend any resources/money whatsoever.

TOP. MEN.
 
Back in 1993 I made $753/ month in the Army. Pretending I got 8 days a month off ( hahaha) and really pretending I worked only 8 hours a day (HAHAHA), that equals $4.27/hour.

That’s $1638/mo in today’s dollars… new privates this year actually make $2319/month so happy to see they beat inflation over the years.
but that free chow........
 
65k indentured servant bond required. They’ve join the ranks of Republic and Skywest.

Curious - as a non-pilot, why is this considered indentured servitude? Is this different than a company paying for someone's Masters Degree and requiring the to individual to pay it back if they leave before X years (usually 2-years)? Is the big difference the involuntary nature of the pilot training vs. the Masters Degree? The airline must train the pilot, legally, to operate on their behalf so the company is going to incur the cost no matter what; however there is no requirement for the Masters Degree thus the person is voluntarily asking the company to make the investment?
 
Is the big difference the involuntary nature of the pilot training vs. the Masters Degree? The airline must train the pilot, legally, to operate on their behalf so the company is going to incur the cost no matter what; however there is no requirement for the Masters Degree thus the person is voluntarily asking the company to make the investment?

To some extent yes. The other issue is that in the 121 world (in the US anyways) it's been mostly not a thing for the past 20 ish years, and the goal was to keep it that way.
 
Curious - as a non-pilot, why is this considered indentured servitude? Is this different than a company paying for someone's Masters Degree and requiring the to individual to pay it back if they leave before X years (usually 2-years)? Is the big difference the involuntary nature of the pilot training vs. the Masters Degree? The airline must train the pilot, legally, to operate on their behalf so the company is going to incur the cost no matter what; however there is no requirement for the Masters Degree thus the person is voluntarily asking the company to make the investment?
A type rating doesn’t really do much for the person receiving it, especially in the 121 world. When you go to a new company, they have to put you through an initial training program regardless of if you have the type or not.

It also doesn’t cost 65k for a CRJ or ERJ type, either.
 
Curious - as a non-pilot, why is this considered indentured servitude? Is this different than a company paying for someone's Masters Degree and requiring the to individual to pay it back if they leave before X years (usually 2-years)? Is the big difference the involuntary nature of the pilot training vs. the Masters Degree? The airline must train the pilot, legally, to operate on their behalf so the company is going to incur the cost no matter what; however there is no requirement for the Masters Degree thus the person is voluntarily asking the company to make the investment?
It is the cost of doing business. As pilots we fronted all the costs for our generic certifications. Now we need to specialize in a specific aircraft that more likely than not will not help us in the future once we move on from a regional. Even if we had the type rating and experience the company would be required to train us as if we never have the type rating to begin with. This is why it is (and should remain) a business cost rather than employee cost.
 
It is the cost of doing business. As pilots we fronted all the costs for our generic certifications. Now we need to specialize in a specific aircraft that more likely than not will not help us in the future once we move on from a regional. Even if we had the type rating and experience the company would be required to train us as if we never have the type rating to begin with. This is why it is (and should remain) a business cost rather than employee cost.
Exactly. I’m in the Part 91 world but as the boss I won’t ever ask for a training contract…even though over here the type ratings are indeed portable (and the cookies on the expense account are nicer than the Doubletree cookies). It’s my job to recruit and retain long-term employees. Training is part of the cost of doing business. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
And being airline owned means everything!

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Oh I still remember their marketing director claiming I was on the “outs” at my employer because a student said something about “Over at Jetcareers, they said I didn’t need to be here to work for the airlines” and a very threatening phone call like it was yesterday.

Fun fact? One of my attorneys was Bill Dvorak, former C44 chairman! :). But SouthernJets basically said “Ooh! Oh, we’ll take care of this real quick, forget it ever happened”. :)
 
Oh I still remember their marketing director claiming I was on the “outs” at my employer because a student said something about “Over at Jetcareers, they said I didn’t need to be here to work for the airlines” and a very threatening phone call like it was yesterday.

Fun fact? One of my attorneys was Bill Dvorak, former C44 chairman! :). But SouthernJets basically said “Ooh! Oh, we’ll take care of this real quick, forget it ever happened”. :)

I mind me a time back in '91 or so. Bolivar Aviation was YUUUUUGE. Like 100+ airplanes.

One day, it just went pfffftttt. Like over night. My mom-n-pop picked up some of the folks from that meltdown.

Flight schools are, for the most part, sad places. Every once in a while, you see a niche operator have one done up nice, but for the most part, they look like 3rd rate hand-me-downs when the local community college got money from the Feds and moved uptown. The only one I ever saw that was outside "unlimited money to spend" universities was American Flyers at FXE. Business-like, but man was that place less inviting than a dentist's office, even with the pool out back.
 
A type rating doesn’t really do much for the person receiving it, especially in the 121 world. When you go to a new company, they have to put you through an initial training program regardless of if you have the type or not.

It also doesn’t cost 65k for a CRJ or ERJ type, either.


Remember back in the day certain major airlines had a question on their app if you had a 737 type rating? The crazy days people would ditch and go to Southwest. Or it was their way of trying to prove you wanted Southwest more.
 
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