Endeavor Flow for new hires

jynxyjoe

jynxyjoe

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Curious what everyone thinks about Endeavor's newest recruitment plan.

The company is going to go around the union, interview new hires with the promise they will flow to Delta. Nothing will be given to current pilots except the existing SSP. No pay increases for anyone because Delta still wants to push all the DCI carriers out of their Air Service Agreements (or capacity agreements, or whatever regionals now have).

So Endeavor/Delta believes that the current guys won't bail, I would think a lot of guys on the bottom would quit and try to get rehired, including our newest new hires who will be left out in the cold. Nothing personal to Delta, but if you're only going to lose 100-150 numbers on the list some pilots will just want to know if they'll flow someday or not immediately and goto plan B if the answer is "no".

Net upgrades should resume in about 17 months, if our fearless leaders are to be believed. New hires should upgrade after 3 years if the place doesn't shut down.

Is the industry really bad enough pilots will leave Eagle, XJT, Skywest, Republic, and other regionals to come to Endeavor for a flow? The company has said to pilots in crew rooms they fully expect to poach half of the pilots from Silver. They need to hire 30-60 a month forever going forward if they plan to staff 81 900's and 80'ish -200's.

I know nobody has a MBA who is currently a big shot at Delta, but for all you who like predicting the future, what say you?

PM's welcome.
 
I gotta admit, I can't tell if anyone is going to give a crap. Obviously the people on property will lose their minds a bit but we're still a shrinking airline with no defined fleet plan, except for 81 900's someday we won't be able to staff. Not much of a sale to current regional pilots.
 
Does anyone even care about a flow with the hiring that'll be starting. Everyone just wants an upgrade don't they? Get in / Get out faster than ever?
 
jynxyjoe said:
I gotta admit, I can't tell if anyone is going to give a crap. Obviously the people on property will lose their minds a bit but we're still a shrinking airline with no defined fleet plan, except for 81 900's someday we won't be able to staff. Not much of a sale to current regional pilots.
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Correct. So why did you say 81 -900s and 80ish -200s? I don't know what mgt says these days but the only known thing on paper so far are the 81 -900s. Delta's PWA caps the 50 seaters throughout the system at 125 max. Keep that in mind when figuring the math of what -200s 9E might potentially keep.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Correct. So why did you say 81 -900s and 80ish -200s? I don't know what mgt says these days but the only known thing on paper so far are the 81 -900s. Delta's PWA caps the 50 seaters throughout the system at 125 max. Keep that in mind when figuring the math of what -200s 9E might potentially keep.
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Hu.... So there's a difference between what Endeavor wants to staff, what they've told Delta they want to staff, and what Delta has committed to. This is an Endeavor move in cooperation with Delta, this is the last ditch effort to staff what Endeavor feels like they should staff before Plan B.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Well you'd go through the Delta hiring process, you'd just start at a regional if you're not prior military or something more qualified.
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If that's the case, they're gonna have to ease up their standards. Especially for a company with such high standards, I really don't think you could really tell if somebody is mainline material until they have at least a little bit of experience as a professional aviator outside of instructing.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
If that's the case, they're gonna have to ease up their standards. Especially for a company with such high standards, I really don't think you could really tell if somebody is mainline material until they have at least a little bit of experience as a professional aviator outside of instructing.
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Well we will know more next week, but the SSP continues, new hires will get a flow after they've been here for (some number of) years and made CA.
 
surreal1221 said:
How's about folks get hired on their own merits vs. waiting for their lucky number to be called.
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I think there were 2 or 3 outside the SSP. Delta HR won't take Endeavor resumes at the job fairs. If you're dad is a higher up and he puts your name in the hat you'll get an interview, OR if you have the same name as the real guy... oops.

I'm not real close to the Delta hiring scene, so I'm not an expert and probably not even a reliable resource on your question.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Unless you advocate the same thing for upgrades, then it's a bit disingenuous. Waiting for your lucky number to come up is the basis of the entire seniority system.
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Todd,

Upgrading and some ridiculous scheme used to recruit people into a company are not even remotely close.

How's about a Company hire the best candidate, rather than use a "flow" system whereby an individual who is not the best candidate is somehow hired over someone further down the line.

All I am saying, apply - interview - and succeed. If you're counting on a flow through opportunity to get to your next job, you're doing it wrong.
 
Louie1975 said:
Has this been officially announced?
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No, but management has been softening the ground for an announcement next week. There's a concern pilots working here will lose their minds and do some stupid things in anger.

We're so far off tracks from where Guum planned for us to be, and probably promised us to be, that our managment team has decided to go for a haymaker against our hiring problems. This way they don't have to pay us anything, if it works they'll look like God's, if not, they'll have to switch to plan B (really plan F now but who is counting.)
 
surreal1221 said:
Todd,

Upgrading and some ridiculous scheme used to recruit people into a company are not even remotely close.

How's about a Company hire the best candidate, rather than use a "flow" system whereby an individual who is not the best candidate is somehow hired over someone further down the line.

All I am saying, apply - interview - and succeed. If you're counting on a flow through opportunity to get to your next job, you're doing it wrong.
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Sorry, man, but this is the same argument that people who advocate for "merit based" promotions rather than a seniority system make. "The upgrade should go to the best employee, not the next guy in line."

The pilots are already flying routes with the airline's name and code on them. The idea that they are somehow unqualified to do the same thing in a slightly larger airplane is why we are in such a mess to start with in this profession. The caste system needs to go away.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Sorry, man, but this is the same argument that people who advocate for "merit based" promotions rather than a seniority system make. "The upgrade should go to the best employee, not the next guy in line."

The pilots are already flying routes with the airline's name and code on them. The idea that they are somehow unqualified to do the same thing in a slightly larger airplane is why we are in such a mess to start with in this profession. The caste system needs to go away.
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Blasphemy. Only the chosen shall pass.


The penitent man.......kneels?
 
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