Emirates recruiting in the USA

david2000 said:
Hello, every one I have been invited to the first and second stage interviews for Emirates, any recommendations, comments for this process? thanks!!!
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I might have some stuff that will help you out for your pre-selection. Send me your email address and I'll see what I can find.
 
I know Emirates requires modern turbine jet time, but how to they look at modern turbo prop time like the Q400? I'm in no position to fly either, but interested in the next job I should pursue if the final goal is flying for Emirates. Would a Q400 FO position be a waste? I'm at 5000 total and 1500 TPIC, but all TPIC is in a Metro and King Air. Thoughts?
 
anthenry said:
I know Emirates requires modern turbine jet time, but how to they look at modern turbo prop time like the Q400? I'm in no position to fly either, but interested in the next job I should pursue if the final goal is flying for Emirates. Would a Q400 FO position be a waste? I'm at 5000 total and 1500 TPIC, but all TPIC is in a Metro and King Air. Thoughts?
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Buddy over there says they are only taking 737NG and Airbus time at the moment...
 
anthenry said:
I know Emirates requires modern turbine jet time, but how to they look at modern turbo prop time like the Q400? I'm in no position to fly either, but interested in the next job I should pursue if the final goal is flying for Emirates. Would a Q400 FO position be a waste? I'm at 5000 total and 1500 TPIC, but all TPIC is in a Metro and King Air. Thoughts?
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Skaning is mostly correct. They do take occasional other modern jet types, but mostly 737NG or better and A320 or better.

I would no longer recommend Emirates as a career goal. It certainly would be a good stepping stone, but for various reasons which I will detail it's not a place for a guy to try to make much longer than 10-15 years.

I joined Emirates 11 years ago when they had less than 50 aircraft. This was post 9-11 when a lot of guys were out of work and looking for jobs. It was a fantastic opportunity then and has remained so up until very recently. The growth of the airline has allowed very rapid progression, with many pilots achieving command on the B777 or A330 within 3-4 years, some much less.

During the stagnation phase when age 60 retirement went to 65 and many guys were stuck at regionals or stuck as junior narrow body F.O.s at other airlines in the States, Emirates remained a very good career choice if one wanted to progress to a widebody command.

Emirates offers a very good compensation and benefit package by world standards. They also offer excellent training. The crews are good to fly with and the flying itself is the best of any airline in the world with routes to 6 continents.

Emirates now has 3480 pilots. So problem number one for someone joining today is how long it is going to take to upgrade. There is very little attrition due to age 65 retirement. The number one guy on the seniority list was born in 1959, as an example. Emirates plans to go up to around 300-325 aircraft total. They have over 200 now. For someone joining today, with no attrition, they would need to see 400 aircraft before an upgrade came along. With attrition of 5% per year, which would be high by historical standards, and a stagnant fleet then it would be 10 years to upgrade. With 2.5% per year it would be 20 years with a stagnant fleet. With fleet growth of 100 more aircraft and 2.5% per year it would be around 9 years to upgrade ( that's if you were hired today and were number 3481 on the seniority list ).

Problem number 2 is living in the Middle East in excess of ten years. Some people thrive here, others hate it. Many have a honeymoon period of a few years where everything is new and wonderful and all the little annoyances are overlooked. Family situations change: marriage, divorce, birth, elderly parents back home, etc. These all affect life overseas significantly. Some still thrive, but most just try to hang on until kids are out of school or another opportunity arises where they can leave.

We have just seen a big uptick in attrition. A number of B777 captains when back to their carriers in the States ( they were on furlough/leave ). An even larger number of captains are looking to go back if hired by a U.S. major. That should tell you something right there.

Back in the late 90s I said that it is better to be a narrowbody F.O. at a major in the States than it is to be a captain overseas. That still holds true to a large extent.

I joined Emirates because I was one of those adversely affected by 9-11 bankruptcies and furloughs. I have no regrets in coming here, but I said at the time it would probably only be good for 10-15 years. All of these foreign airlines will do one thing sooner or later, and that is to put locals in management positions. Emirates has done a really good job of training their local managers and some are very good at what they do, but it still doesn't change their basic cultural beliefs.

There has been a large change in attitude by management towards the pilot workforce in the last year. A very punitive culture is emerging and good people are being adversely affected by it. A culture of fear and intimidation is growing. The pilots and other employees are paranoid of making mistakes. That is not a fun environment to work in and it appears it is only going to get worse.



Typhoonpilot
 
Just an excellent write up. Exactly what I was looking for; a point of view from someone actually working there. Although it's disappointing and discouraging, I appreciate the honest evaluation of the current and future situation. Gives me a different perspective and some things to think about.

I am currently flying a King Air in China, and although I am really enjoying it and have no complaints, the job doesn't offer a future. I'm happy for now, but as far as my career, I'm thinking of the next step. I would like to fly as expat in the Middle East or Asia. What type aircraft would you suggest pursuing to meet this goal? Q400, E140/145/170/175/190/195, CRJ 200/700/900, Saab, ATR? The King Air and Metro time seems to be doing nothing for me abroad and I'm concerned other turboprop time would be the same. Is a jet the way to go? Or would you suggest, from your experience, flying in the states?
 
anthenry said:
Just an excellent write up. Exactly what I was looking for; a point of view from someone actually working there. Although it's disappointing and discouraging, I appreciate the honest evaluation of the current and future situation. Gives me a different perspective and some things to think about.

I am currently flying a King Air in China, and although I am really enjoying it and have no complaints, the job doesn't offer a future. I'm happy for now, but as far as my career, I'm thinking of the next step. I would like to fly as expat in the Middle East or Asia. What type aircraft would you suggest pursuing to meet this goal? Q400, E140/145/170/175/190/195, CRJ 200/700/900, Saab, ATR? The King Air and Metro time seems to be doing nothing for me abroad and I'm concerned other turboprop time would be the same. Is a jet the way to go? Or would you suggest, from your experience, flying in the states?
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How did you manage to find the KA job in China if I may ask?
 
anthenry said:
Just an excellent write up. Exactly what I was looking for; a point of view from someone actually working there. Although it's disappointing and discouraging, I appreciate the honest evaluation of the current and future situation. Gives me a different perspective and some things to think about.

I am currently flying a King Air in China, and although I am really enjoying it and have no complaints, the job doesn't offer a future. I'm happy for now, but as far as my career, I'm thinking of the next step. I would like to fly as expat in the Middle East or Asia. What type aircraft would you suggest pursuing to meet this goal? Q400, E140/145/170/175/190/195, CRJ 200/700/900, Saab, ATR? The King Air and Metro time seems to be doing nothing for me abroad and I'm concerned other turboprop time would be the same. Is a jet the way to go? Or would you suggest, from your experience, flying in the states?
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I'd say a jet is definitely the way to go. Have you talked to BAA about training you on one of their managed jets?

The jets to get into are the A320, B737NG, or maybe the EMB 170/190. Those are the stepping stone jets ( or even career jets for many ) that will get you a good paying job overseas.

Have you looked into FlyDubai, RAK Airways, Gulf Air, Qatar Airways, etc? Their minimums are all lower than Emirates are. How about Jetstar Asia, Tiger Airways, Air Macau, Air Hong Kong, Hong Kong Express, Air Asia, etc?


TP
 
jskibo said:
How did you manage to find the KA job in China if I may ask?
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I went through Avion Pacific Limited. They sold the company the airplane and were asked to help find a pilot. However, I do not work for or through Avion now. They just put me in contact with Xinjiang Tianjin. I work directly for them and they pay me.
 
typhoonpilot said:
I'd say a jet is definitely the way to go. Have you talked to BAA about training you on one of their managed jets?

The jets to get into are the A320, B737NG, or maybe the EMB 170/190. Those are the stepping stone jets ( or even career jets for many ) that will get you a good paying job overseas.

Have you looked into FlyDubai, RAK Airways, Gulf Air, Qatar Airways, etc? Their minimums are all lower than Emirates are. How about Jetstar Asia, Tiger Airways, Air Macau, Air Hong Kong, Hong Kong Express, Air Asia, etc?


TP
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Again, thank you!

I have applied to all of those and a few others very recently and received a rejection letter from almost all. Haven't heard from the others. I was hoping having CAAC certificates would help me, but it hasn't yet. Now I'm thinking of going to Republic to get some 170 time. Sounds like the place to build 170 time fast. I also have my application into Copa, but haven't heard back.
 
try to avoid Q400, ATR, E140/145, CRJ100/200 those aircrafts too small to meet their qualifications.


typhoonpilot said:
I'd say a jet is definitely the way to go. Have you talked to BAA about training you on one of their managed jets?

The jets to get into are the A320, B737NG, or maybe the EMB 170/190. Those are the stepping stone jets ( or even career jets for many ) that will get you a good paying job overseas.

Have you looked into FlyDubai, RAK Airways, Gulf Air, Qatar Airways, etc? Their minimums are all lower than Emirates are. How about Jetstar Asia, Tiger Airways, Air Macau, Air Hong Kong, Hong Kong Express, Air Asia, etc?


TP
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I don't think they are hiring right now, last I heard which was a month ago they were cutting back on pilots. Sadly they aren't in good shape at the moment. Air Arabia is another one to look into
 
Pasargad said:
try to avoid Q400, ATR, E140/145, CRJ100/200 those aircrafts too small to meet their qualifications.



I don't think they are hiring right now, last I heard which was a month ago they were cutting back on pilots. Sadly they aren't in good shape at the moment. Air Arabia is another one to look into
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Sadly Air Arabia has gone to hiring through a pay for training scam, which is why I did not mention them.

I know Gulf Air has been in trouble a lot over the last few years. Just mentioned in case they go through another government cash injection. Bahrain not the best place in the Gulf lately with all the protests.


TP
 
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