Embarasssing ALPA Magazine Blunder

Not trying to bust your nuts or throw ALPA under the bus, but I would like to see someone in ALPA leadership stand up and say 'Hey, this guy lied to us and we screwed up and missed it'.

How exactly have they screwed up because someone lied to them? This whole thing is ridiculous! Air Line Pilot magazine is not Time magazine. It's not serious journalism. It's a union newsletter. I don't expect Jan to take time out of his busy day to call up the ANG or the local fire department to fact check a fluff piece. No one at ALPA should take any responsibility for this nonsense. The only one that needs to take responsibility is the pilot.
 
How exactly have they screwed up because someone lied to them? This whole thing is ridiculous! Air Line Pilot magazine is not Time magazine. It's not serious journalism. It's a union newsletter. I don't expect Jan to take time out of his busy day to call up the ANG or the local fire department to fact check a fluff piece. No one at ALPA should take any responsibility for this nonsense. The only one that needs to take responsibility is the pilot.

I personally would like to see my union take the newsletter they send me seriously. If we can't take a series of articles on professionalism and ethics seriously, what's the point? I still have some faith that ALPA wants to be taken seriously and will step up and admit they could have taken steps to avoid being duped. A little honesty would be better IMHO than pointing the finger solely at 'that lying pilot'.

As for follow up, you'll have to forgive my skepticism over just accepting at face value that someone joined the ANG and flews F-16s without a college degree, volunteers as a fireman (likely true) AND paramedic (likely not), volunteers at the food pantry, builds Habitat homes, mentors new hires as a nearly new hire himself and provides CIRP support, all at the same time all while under the age of 25 or 26. Even with respectable recommendations (most of which apparently didn't know him), it all still sounds too good to be true. This is why it's been so easy to poke fun at the guy, because he has so many outlandish claims! :D

BTW, I've gotten a couple of calls from friends and family outside the aviation industry about this. Unfortunately, ALPA is getting very bad publicity off of this! :(
 
Wow Todd.

If ALPA can't take our newsletter seriously, then how about we stop producing the damn thing?

And you know this better than most - I'm one of the largest supporters of the newsletter, but we collectively should be demanding some form of accountability.

Although I can certainly see why they don't fact check - because then they may find out that one of their members is a lying son of a bitch and they might have to actually do some professional standardizing by appropriately outing the idiot.

The tool deserves every bit of comedy at his expense that all of us are enjoying and I certainly hope he takes care of himself accordingly because he is nothing more than an absolute scum bag to the worse degree (lying about his service record - or lack thereof).
 
How exactly have they screwed up because someone lied to them? This whole thing is ridiculous! Air Line Pilot magazine is not Time magazine. It's not serious journalism. It's a union newsletter. I don't expect Jan to take time out of his busy day to call up the ANG or the local fire department to fact check a fluff piece. No one at ALPA should take any responsibility for this nonsense. The only one that needs to take responsibility is the pilot.

Baloney! If ALPA publishes a newsletter, they are responsible for what is in it.


That said, I don't think any of this seriously damages ALPA's credibility. It's an embaresing screwup, and the people that write the newsletter need to take a butt chewing, but that's the end of it.

The true humiliation rightfully belongs to the idiot Tim Martins
 
Wow Todd.

If ALPA can't take our newsletter seriously, then how about we stop producing the damn thing?

It's taken seriously, but not as some form of serious journalism. It's a newsletter. Expecting them to have the same fact checking standards as a newspaper or newsmagazine is unrealistic. A pilot was referred by another pilot and had a story that could have easily come from any other pilot. Jan had no reason to doubt it. No reason to make a big deal out of this.
 
Okay.

Unlike many, I'm not trying to crucify anyone except the toolbag.

I do fully expect ALPA to learn from this lesson though, do you not expect the same? Figuring out that they can just take people at their word, especially when things tend to be crazy stacked-up?
 
I do fully expect ALPA to learn from this lesson though, do you not expect the same? Figuring out that they can just take people at their word, especially when things tend to be crazy stacked-up?

I don't want any of my paid staff wasting time on fact checking for fluff pieces when there is much more important work to be done. If that's what you expect, then I would rather just put an end to these kinds of articles and just publish technical pieces and updates on what the union has been doing lately.
 
It's taken seriously, but not as some form of serious journalism. It's a newsletter. Expecting them to have the same fact checking standards as a newspaper or newsmagazine is unrealistic. A pilot was referred by another pilot and had a story that could have easily come from any other pilot. Jan had no reason to doubt it. No reason to make a big deal out of this.


The pilot in question was nominated for and placed in a position representational of ALL ALPA PILOTS.

The pilots that represent us in Union matters are usually voted on- that's because the Union wants accountability of those who REPRESENT our issues.

They held this guy up and shone a spotlight on him and said, "Look at this guy! He's among the best of the best, surely, and represents the high standards to which all ALPA pilots should strive."

... and by doing so without looking into things, just to be sure, they made us all look stupid. If our own representation thinks that's the cat's meow and that's what all of us should be but then puts up the village idiot for the world to see, well, damn it, I expect a little more.

Seriously now. The whole damned internet is having a laugh at pilots' expense. All they had to do was stop and look and make a few phone calls.

Pilots do that, right? Check to make sure things are right before they blaze ahead into things?

ALPA does TONS of good that people never see, and therefore assume isn't actually done. Given that, you'd think that when they wanted to make a splash in the public they'd stop to consider how bad it might look if they botched it, and how important it is towards unity and cooperation when our leadership looks this incompetent.

The individual in question is clearly a liar, and possibly has other problems.

The ALPA staffers were just totally ignorant- because they didn't think to look.

Which is worse, then? A knowing liar or an unknowing incompetent?

I expect better.. from all parties involved.
 
I'm just going to leave this conversation before I get really pissed off. Nothing makes me more mad than a bunch of people attacking staff members that they've never even met.
 
Give me a break Todd.

I see UNION MEMBERS, us, displaying outrage over the lack of responsible reporting. However mickey mouse it may be.

If you're going to get pissed off because ALPA members are unhappy about their "staff's" lack of fact checking then by all means, get pissed off.

I like you Todd, and this isn't meant personally - but it's about time that the leaders within ALPA act in the best interests of the members - that means those of us who are outraged and pissed off that they would put up a fraud to represent us. Making a mockery of our profession.
 
We talking about Jan or Tim here?

If we're talking about Jan, you're right. But, I fully expect ALPA to apologize for their blunder. I'm not crucifying or taking away Jan's due process.

Perhaps the problem is larger than this one article. Yes a fluff piece indeed, but maybe that's the problem.

Stop doing fluff pieces and just report on the factual happenings within the union. That'd take care of this little problem nicely.
 
I saw Tim acknowledge his guilt on another forum, so he's already told his side of the story. The people here are convicting a staff member (Jan) without ever hearing his side of the story. The word "incompetent" was used above.

Yes, I said it. The reporting was done with obviously no interest in the validity of the data. When a reporter fails to objectively fact check a source and is proven false, culpability lies with the reporter.

I'm sure the staffer has done a great job on many other projects, but calling me names to defend someone who clearly failed to exercise due diligence doesn't make your argument at all.

Ad hominem just proves your case is weak. Let it go.

I expect better from YOU too.
 
Yes, I said it. The reporting was done with obviously no interest in the validity of the data. When a reporter fails to objectively fact check a source and is proven false, culpability lies with the reporter.

I'm sure the staffer has done a great job on many other projects, but calling me names to defend someone who clearly failed to exercise due diligence doesn't make your argument at all.

Ad hominem just proves your case is weak. Let it go.

I expect better from YOU too.

I agree that she should have fact checked, that is part of her job. Nevertheless I'm sure the story was convincing, and she is, in a way, a victim of his lies. She should have covered her own butt if anything. I also read Tim's apology on another forum, when it was minutes old. It was weak at best. Is there another one out there?
 
Yes, I said it. The reporting was done with obviously no interest in the validity of the data. When a reporter fails to objectively fact check a source and is proven false, culpability lies with the reporter.

Jan Steenblick is not a reporter.

but calling me names

I haven't "called you names." I've merely pointed out the hypocrisy that is so common in airline pilots. We demand due process for ourselves whenever we get in some sort of trouble, but we're lightning-fast to be judge, jury, and executioner whenever someone else is perceived to have done something wrong. I want due process for all. Attacking a staff member when you don't know him, don't know his job description, don't know the circumstances, don't know anything really, is completely inappropriate. Let's give everyone the chance for due process that we all expect for ourselves.
 
I agree that she should have fact checked, that is part of her job. Nevertheless I'm sure the story was convincing, and she is, in a way, a victim of his lies. She should have covered her own butt if anything. I also read Tim's apology on another forum, when it was minutes old. It was weak at best. Is there another one out there?

Jan is a he, if I'm not mistaken.

FACT CHECK FAIL!
 
A union newsletter isn't where I expect very hard hitting journalism, and an ALPA member claiming to be a fighter pilot isn't exactly out of left field either.

The Air Line Pilot magazine doesn't really have the budget to be a REAL traditional journalism magazine. When's the last time you saw a "scoop" in it?

It's embarassing in a sense, but in a bigger way it is sad. Granted I was only an ALPA volunteer for a short time but any time I dealt with any of the staff members they had no need, or thought they had no need, to verify anything because they're used to the high level of honorablness that most ALPA members have... ie "Oh? You need access to the VPN? Sure, no problem..."

In some ways the staff that works for ALPA is hardwired to believe what their members say.
 
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